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Post by chemikalman on Feb 15, 2007 19:10:48 GMT -5
Which is why I rephrased my Shane/Lem statement just as you rephrased your original Vic/Shane argument.
My head hurts. Can't we just watch an illicit videotape of Dutch in his car looking like a complete fool, and forget our little squabbles ?
[Edit:] Hey wait a minute, chem! Weren't you the one pushing me to read the "In defense of Mara" posts on the Season 5B board? Now you want to shove her off a cliff? What gives? (Not that I blame you, by the way --I did read those posts and was not converted.)Ok, I've gone enuf rounds for a while. But (always a "but", huh?), I didn't "push" you, I merely suggested it. It sounds like we are in agreement that we wouldn't mind seeing Mara's hair split ... as a result of her head hitting a rock at the bottom of the cliff that her car just went over.
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Feb 15, 2007 22:39:51 GMT -5
The rock would consider it cruel punishment then hire the ghost of Johnny Cochran to represent it in court. In any event, I doubt that Vic will off Shane. The writers know that we as the audience expect it to happen therefore, IMO, I doubt if they'll go that route. Shane may die, but it won't be because Vic killed him. It'd be a pleasant surprise to see Ronnnie off Shane or have someone hire a hitman to go after him.
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Post by cletusvanman69 on Feb 21, 2007 9:17:00 GMT -5
Iknow I'm a weeek late posting on this thread but I've gotta jump to the defence of Det Vendrell. He has endured a bucket load of hatred from most people on most forums. Sometimes I think I'm the only Shane fan out there. He has to live cause he's Vic's right hand man. I know killin Lem was kinda outlandish but from a logical point of view it was the only thing left to do once Lem refused to run to mexico. Lem would've eventually been broken by either Antwon's homies or the DA. Then the strike team would all be banged up for life!! And with regard to quality things Shane's done in past seasons here's a few, 1) Cletus Van Damme, 2) Banging the stripper in the interrogation room, 3) Bailing Vic out when he got Armidilo killed.
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Feb 21, 2007 12:44:28 GMT -5
Shane had help with the Armadillo thing. The way the scene played out was that Lem, Ronnie and Shane helped with the gang banger. But I don't wish for Shane to die, even though he did kill a fan favorite.
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Post by chemikalman on Feb 21, 2007 13:06:32 GMT -5
just for the record, cletusvanman, I'm a big Shane fan. I liked him more before Mara came along, but I still like him.
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Post by I Adore Ronnie on Feb 21, 2007 16:57:05 GMT -5
Personally, Shane is a great character and amusing to watch but I'd never want to meet someone like him in real life, let alone have him (or Vic for that matter) on the force.
By the way, Ronnie was in the hospital when Shane and Lem got the gang banger to kill Armadillo. And technically, it was Shane's idea -- they were in the clubhouse when Shane started to leave and Lem asked "Where we goin?" and Shane responses, "To make a deal." and Lem follows him out --- I remember this only because it's the only good thing Shane has done for the team, and it got one man murdered and another in prison (even though he wanted to get back in).
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Post by eekay on Feb 21, 2007 17:02:38 GMT -5
It also got Danny fired.
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Post by chemikalman on Feb 21, 2007 18:33:35 GMT -5
Personally, Shane is a great character and amusing to watch but I'd never want to meet someone like him in real life, let alone have him (or Vic for that matter) on the force. By the way, Ronnie was in the hospital when Shane and Lem got the gang banger to kill Armadillo. And technically, it was Shane's idea -- they were in the clubhouse when Shane started to leave and Lem asked "Where we goin?" and Shane responses, "To make a deal." and Lem follows him out --- I remember this only because it's the only good thing Shane has done for the team, and it got one man murdered and another in prison (even though he wanted to get back in). You know, I'm not even sure why I like him ... maybe that can be another thread topic some day. It might be because I see him as simple and real. He's willing to try to take charge of a situation even though he invariably screws it up. Along with his simplicity, his motives are usually transparent--you never have to wonder what's up his sleeve. In that sense he is one of the purer members of the ST. Plus, he's funnier than shit and reminds me of some peeps I know. Another person I really like is Ronnie. He has his own boyish charm, but he's mainly a follower as opposed to a take charge guy. Unfortunately, so far at least, Ronnie has been destined to the role of bit player. Wouldn't it be a hoot if they finally made him significant? It would be about time, huh?!
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Post by ShootFirst on Feb 21, 2007 18:50:48 GMT -5
Perfect example of (at the time) the team looking out for the team first and foremost. They probably knew the possibilities but cared about the group above anyone else.
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Post by eekay on Feb 21, 2007 19:02:46 GMT -5
Perfect example of (at the time) the team looking out for the team first and foremost. They probably knew the possibilities but cared about the group above anyone else.
It's also a perfect example of Shane trying to be like Vic --the guy who takes care of everybody and fixes everything, with the smallest possible risk of backlash-- and not quite making it. I'm not sure that Vic would have done the same thing if he were in Shane (and Lem)'s position, if it would mean getting Danny fired. I also don't buy that Shane was farsighted enough to realize that Danny would get in that much trouble if he and Lem slipped that dude the knife --not that it would have stopped him if he had.
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Post by I Adore Ronnie on Feb 21, 2007 20:20:22 GMT -5
You know, I'm not even sure why I like him ... maybe that can be another thread topic some day. It might be because I see him as simple and real. He's willing to try to take charge of a situation even though he invariably screws it up. Along with his simplicity, his motives are usually transparent--you never have to wonder what's up his sleeve. In that sense he is one of the purer members of the ST. Plus, he's funnier than shit and reminds me of some peeps I know. Another person I really like is Ronnie. He has his own boyish charm, but he's mainly a follower as opposed to a take charge guy. Unfortunately, so far at least, Ronnie has been destined to the role of bit player. Wouldn't it be a hoot if they finally made him significant? It would be about time, huh?! Good points! That's probably one of the main reasons we tolerate, or even like, Shane is because of his amusing sense of humor. He makes us laugh, so we deal with his shortcomings... though his motives are always clear, they aren't necessarily admirable (AKA his greed). Ronnie definitely is a follower more so than the others, but Lem and Shane also blindly follow(ed) and trust(ed) Vic. I'd love for something more to come of Ronnie's character - it would actually give the actor some deserved acknowledgment since he's been there from the beginning, yet considered a background character for so long. If nothing else, I hope he's the only ST member not severely punished... Completely agree, eekay! Vic would never make someone else take the fall for him, especially not another cop that he's has a good relationship with. And even if Shane thought ahead about the ramifications the officer who searched the man would face, Shane still would have done it. Vic would have found a different way.
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Post by eekay on Feb 21, 2007 20:24:53 GMT -5
Completely OT: That's a sweet new sig banner, IAR (it is new, right? Or have I just not been paying attention?) Although the pic of Lem looks a little shifty-eyed. . .! It's cute though.
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Post by I Adore Ronnie on Feb 21, 2007 21:02:12 GMT -5
Completely OT: That's a sweet new sig banner, IAR (it is new, right? Or have I just not been paying attention?) Although the pic of Lem looks a little shifty-eyed. . .! It's cute though. Thanks ;D It's relatively new, yes. Shifty-eyed? Nah man ANYWAY, back to Shane and why he "has to live" <ahem>
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Post by cletusvanman69 on Feb 22, 2007 10:22:53 GMT -5
I think the whole getting Danny fired is a non starter to show how Shane messes up, altho most of the time that's exactly what he does. If anybody had the chance to save their best friend (Shane saving Vic) but at the expense of another colleague I'm sure most would do it. I'm not saying it's right but I'd like to think my best friend would do the same for me(altho working in an office I can't see anything so dramatic happening!!). And on a side note, IAR, before I discovered this site I'd seen all your Shield vids on youtube. Don't how you do it, but they're all quality. I love the South Park Shane one, it cracks me up everytime!!!
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Feb 23, 2007 20:32:52 GMT -5
When I worked at my last real job, I knew in a heartbeat my two idiot ex coworkers would hang me out to dry in a moment's notice if it meant saving their jobs. I hung one of them out to dry once and watched her flap in the breeze. It was one of my more defining moments.
Shane did what he had to do to keep Vic employed, even if it meant Danny being fired. I do think that Shane did know that Danny wouldn't get fired forever, she'd just get temporarily fired. At least I'd like to think so.
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Post by ShootFirst on Feb 28, 2007 18:43:49 GMT -5
I learned firsthand the hard way...when it comes to your job, DON'T TRUST ANYONE!!!!!!!
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Post by I Adore Ronnie on Feb 28, 2007 20:00:53 GMT -5
I think the whole getting Danny fired is a non starter to show how Shane messes up, altho most of the time that's exactly what he does. If anybody had the chance to save their best friend (Shane saving Vic) but at the expense of another colleague I'm sure most would do it. I'm not saying it's right but I'd like to think my best friend would do the same for me(altho working in an office I can't see anything so dramatic happening!!). And on a side note, IAR, before I discovered this site I'd seen all your Shield vids on youtube. Don't how you do it, but they're all quality. I love the South Park Shane one, it cracks me up everytime!!! Though I agree with you, that I think most people WOULD sacrifice someone they aren't close with (Shane to Danny), to save a friend, I still think Vic would have thought of another way. Maybe get Armadillo released and murdered on the street, or something that wouldn't get another officer (especially a friend/lover) fired... though, last we saw, Vic was ready to fall on his sword for the team (the ONLY time I recall Vic giving up!)... And personally, from a female perspective, one reason why I adore the Strike Team so much is that devotion and loyalty (clearly, destroyed now). Especially Lem's love for the team And to your side note: ;D thanks! My South Park videos were actually deleted, because of "violation of terms." There are actual clips from the damn show, and yet my creations are deleted?! I was able to re-upload Lem's vid and it hasn't been deleted, but the others were deleted immediately each time... And back to the subject of the thread: I don't think Shane has to live to the end, just for now he's needed... he may be Vic's monster, but that only means they both have to pay. And to want one punished over the other seems ridiculous.
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