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Post by -|E|- on Mar 29, 2006 11:32:34 GMT -5
With Danny having just given birth, I've been thinking back on my own pregnancy and childbirth experience, and how my life changed. I'm wondering how many Rappies here have kids, and how they've affected your lives... Did you always want or know you'd have kids or was it a surprise? And getting back to Danny, how is being a new mom going to affect her on the street? Will she get back on the street at all or continue to run the Barn? Or might she choose to stay home for good? Her brothers are coming..... oh my!
I got really sick in the fall of 1995 and went to the Dr. I assumed it was the flu, but you can guess what it was, eh? lol Yeah, I found out I was 8 weeks pregnant on Halloween -- and totally blindsided by it. Trick or Treat my ass! This was not in the plan. But before I made it out the front door of the hospital, I had accepted this huge change, and I knew I was carrying a baby girl. Being pregnant was just weird. Wonderful too, but mostly weird. I stopped drinking, smoking, and eating crap. I couldn't color my hair or wear acrylic nails. Nothing for pain except Tylenol, no chocolate, no caffiene... and she would stretch her little body out as far as she could, and let me tell you --- that was not fun. She still does that, btw... first thing in the morning she stretches her arms and legs out as far as they'll go. When I see her do that, I just remember "OUCH!" Near the end, there's not a lot of elbow room in there, ya know?
When they laid her on the warming table beside me I just said, "Well hi there, sweetie," and she turned her little head toward my voice. The Dr. and nurses were all jabbering on about technical stuff, but she picked out my voice and tried to see where it was coming from. Instant, intense, desperate love overcame me. I thought I knew all about love before that moment, but I had no clue how deep it could really go.
Did anyone else notice or think that Danny was breastfeeding Lee when Vic first walks in? Once, in a dressing room at the Mall, I actually heard a woman say, "Ewwwww, that's not natural," to her friend when she saw me nursing.. I'd rather offend 2 ignorant asses with breastfeeding than the entire store full of people with blood-curdling screaming, thank you.
Anyone else have horribly embarrassing tales to tell?! ... Don't leave me hangin here!!
Alright, if they pick up the show the day after Lem's death, Danny will still be on maternity leave. How will her role be affected/limited by that? Unless Vic is the daddy, I don't know how they'll pull her into the story. Unless it's Lem's baby (a peice of him lives on)... but I think that's stretching it; why film that scene in Postpartum with Danny and Vic if he's not the dad..... I dunno.
If they pick it up several months later, she may be back on the job and have a more active role in the episodes. I'm curious to see how or if motherhood changes Danny. What do you guys think?
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edit2: Added "Danny" to thread title
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Post by tplss96 on Mar 29, 2006 11:46:37 GMT -5
I'm a mom, I have an 11 year old daughter. Lem help me. I got pregnant at 18... we'd been together for about a year... he always said we'd get married, etc.... but when I got pregnant, he freaked and turned into a bigger loser than he already was. Ahhh, regrets of the sperm donor. We were stupid kids.
I was too young and scared to fully ENJOY my pregnancy. I didn't tell my parents til I was 6+ months pregnant. I was never the type to coo over babies, didn't know if I even wanted one of my own... but when I got pregnant, I was excited. It was a horrible pregnancy. She had me puking 24/7. Seriously. I weighed about 100 pounds after she was born. I LOST 50 pounds during the pregnancy. No matter what I ate... any smell would gag me. I was too worried about harming her to take medicine... so I ate Taco Pizza daily- the only thing she wouldn't make me hurl with. haha.
The night I went into labor, my mom and boyfriend rushed me to the hospital, only to be sent home with false labor. 6 hours later, at 7 am, I was back in the hospital having her. I was only in labor for less than 2 hours. I passed out a few times during, because in my stupid state of mind, I screamed "NO MORE NEEDLES". They took that as "No epidural" haha. So I had my daughter with Tylenol. Bastards. lol
I wanted to be a cop before I got pregnant, but once I realized that I'd be the only one raising this child, I'd better pick something that isn't so dangerous. I'm waiting to see what they do with Danny. She'll be a single mom too... and being put back on the streets, IN MY OPINION, is a pretty selfish risk.
Btw, I didn't breastfeed...ow! That was so damn painful. In the end, I had a healthy 7 pound baby... and she changed the way I completely look at things and the choices I make. I'm the only one she has- other than my family- so I have to put her first.
OH...and I found out I was pregnant when I signed up for the Marines. HAHAHA. Nothing like being rejected with a "I'm sorry, your tests results came back, you're in no condition.... you're pregnant." WHA??? Are you serious? Hmmm...maybe that was meant to happen.
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Post by qb on Mar 29, 2006 12:46:41 GMT -5
Oh boy, my favorite topic. Thanks, E!
I've never had a baby so I have no stretch marks (yeah!), no icky water-breaking stories, no gross breast-feeding in public tales (where it does not belong), no sticky food stains in my new car, no teething tips, no whooping cough experience to relate, etc. None of that mom stuff. Never touched a diaper in my life!
I have always believed women could & should rise above their biology and we should pursue careers and mental pursuits first and foremost. I hate the idea that women present themselves as brood mares first, professionals and intellectuals second.
As for Danny, I was furious that she would reinforce the idea that a while a woman might be a good cop, we're all just walking wombs waiting and longing to be impregnated. I consider myself to be so much more than that!!
We all have a right to our own opinion on things, esp when a thread invites it... so understand this is just my #twocents# Every time I share my feelings on this topic I am attacked for it. Talk about feeling silenced!
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Post by tplss96 on Mar 29, 2006 12:56:10 GMT -5
Why be attacked for it? It's your opinion, I can respect that...anyone who can't is an idiot.
I would have liked to have gotten my career going first... but I fucked up, owned it... and am very happy with it. It's so much easier being a mom than being an employee for some fuckhead, for me, anyways. haha. I wonder how they'll play up Danny getting pregnant...did she WANT to...or was it just an "oops!" If it's been in the show, as to why, let me know, I musta missed it!
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Post by qb on Mar 29, 2006 13:10:45 GMT -5
Why be attacked for it? It's your opinion, I can respect that...anyone who can't is an idiot. AMEN & THANKS!! I totally concur! I have been attacked before on this subject by very passionate women who seem to think I am less of a woman or some kind of monster because I haven't fulfilled my feminine "instinct". I appreciate your respect for my opinion!
I have kind of wondered, too, if maybe Danny didn't arrange to have the baby with someone--maybe Lem??--serving as the ejaculatory daddy. But I think we heard somewhere she wasn't expecting it. That's another thing... why on earth are women still having oops babies?? Birth control is so easy!
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Post by tplss96 on Mar 29, 2006 13:16:49 GMT -5
The way I see it is, if you're not ready, you're not ready. You're more responsible than most (including me) for not having a child when you're not ready for the lifetime commitment. Good for you to have goals first! Look at the child abuse in this country. More people should have your viewpoint. Some women should have their uterus cut out before allowed to have more children. *same with men*
(sorry to threadjack, yet again. haha)
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Post by qb on Mar 29, 2006 14:39:21 GMT -5
Not at all, hon... I very much appreciate the rational discussion on the subject. It's so refreshing!!
I won't be having any babies. It's not something God is going to allow for me and I accept that. At one time I seriously considered it but never found a man I could trust with that responsibility (probably I wasn't pretty enough) Now I feel I am too old to start motherhood. Oh well. Maybe in my next lifetime. I think Danny just made it under the wire!
I just don't like to be looked down upon, judged and treated like some kind of freak because of it. Anyway, I'll leave this thread to the baby-makers now...
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 29, 2006 15:16:52 GMT -5
Oh boy, my favorite topic. Thanks, E!
I've never had a baby so I have no stretch marks (yeah!), no icky water-breaking stories, no gross breast-feeding in public tales (where it does not belong), no sticky food stains in my new car, no teething tips, no whooping cough experience to relate, etc. None of that mom stuff. Never touched a diaper in my life!
I have always believed women could & should rise above their biology and we should pursue careers and mental pursuits first and foremost. I hate the idea that women present themselves as brood mares first, professionals and intellectuals second.
As for Danny, I was furious that she would reinforce the idea that a while a woman might be a good cop, we're all just walking wombs waiting and longing to be impregnated. I consider myself to be so much more than that!!
We all have a right to our own opinion on things, esp when a thread invites it... so understand this is just my #twocents# Every time I share my feelings on this topic I am attacked for it. Talk about feeling silenced! More like your - #twocents#,wouldn't you agree? "breast-feeding in public tales (where it does not belong)" ... hmmm, you sound like a modern woman (I guess that's what you'd consider it) in the 2nd half of your post, but this outlook on breast feeding in public is so '50s. Even some fastfood places now allow it! There's nothing wrong with your opinion, CC, but if you read E's post more carefully, she was mainly interested in hearing from women who have kids, who have gone through that repugnant (to you) process called childbirth. Tplss96 doesn't know it because she's new, but you already made your point abundantly clear in earlier threads--now I hope you stay true to your word and "leave this thread to the baby makers now." If it frustrates you and makes you bitter, why come here? I consider myself to be eligible for at least auxilliary membership in that "club" btw, having fathered two kids -- that counts right? ;D
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Post by qb on Mar 29, 2006 15:41:03 GMT -5
We all have a right to our own opinion on things, esp when a thread invites it... so understand this is just my #twocents# Every time I share my feelings on this topic I am attacked for it. Talk about feeling silenced! CHEM SAYS: More like your - There's nothing wrong with your opinion, CC, but if you read E's post more carefully, she was mainly interested in hearing from women who have kids, who have gone through that repugnant (to you) process called childbirth. Tplss96 doesn't know it because she's new, but you already made your point abundantly clear in earlier threads--now I hope you stay true to your word and "leave this thread to the baby makers now." If it frustrates you and makes you bitter, why come here? Excuse me, where in the header does it say NO BARREN WOMEN NEED COMMENT! NO COMMENTS BY CHIKCHICK ALLOWED! I must have missed that.
Don't worry, I will go away. I saw a great pair of slingback pumps the other day at the mall and I don't have time to waste on this subject. Being so goddamn BITTER about my childlessness...I must buy shoes. #roflao#
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Post by I Adore Ronnie on Mar 29, 2006 16:26:05 GMT -5
I may regret posting but here I go anyway...
I plan to have a child sometime in my life (I'm 23 right now) but that doesn't mean I'm old-fashioned and I considered myself a "womb" before a "professional woman." I don't think people are trying to censor you because you're a woman who haven't / doesn't want to give birth. That's not something new nowadays, but it's how you talk about women who do have children that is bothersome. You act like we (women who have or plan to) are somehow less than career women because we DO want a family! It doesn't mean they are giving up their careers or professional life because of a child.
As for Danny, I don't think, as you said, she "reinforces the idea that... we're all just walking wombs waiting and longing to be impregnated." Maybe she wanted a child but the issue was never addressed... maybe it wasn't planned but not safeguarded against. That doesn't mean she's a bad role model; hell if anything she worked right up until the end. That's determination (for her career). And maybe she will take time off to care for her son, but again, it's just prioritizing. A few months she may return. It's about choice.
So while I completely respect your choice not to have children (I have friends who feel the same way), you must respect that there are women who have or plan to give birth and to respect their choices, and not to belittle their choices as old-fashioned and society treating them as walking wombs. It's insulting.
note: the part of my post quoted here was corrected. CC
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 29, 2006 17:36:37 GMT -5
I think Catherine Dent's pregnancy being woven into TS storylines made for very interesting subplots. There was the whole thing of "who's your daddy?", which even provided some comic relief (remember the board in the barn with some of the goofy suggestions?); the way that snake Kav tried to use it as a wedge to divide Corinne from Vic; the questions about how her role on the job would be affected ... IF she even stays on the job. I admire Shawn Ryan for accepting nature's course and working with it instead of sending Catherine Dent away until the baby was born. I also admire Dent for her willingness to stay on the job right up to the end, for being brave enough to allow her stomach to be exposed when it was huge. Many women feel very self-conscious about that; obviously, she was proud of it, and rightfully so. Having seen production (no pun intended!) of TS first hand, I know it couldn't have been easy for her to even show up. Danny's child even gave us some fun here at TSR with the name the baby contest.
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 30, 2006 8:38:43 GMT -5
OH...and I found out I was pregnant when I signed up for the Marines. HAHAHA. Nothing like being rejected with a "I'm sorry, your tests results came back, you're in no condition.... you're pregnant." WHA??? Are you serious? Hmmm...maybe that was meant to happen. HOLY MOLY! That would put a kink in the plan, eh? Wow, hon.... thanks for sharing!
Oh boy, my favorite topic. Thanks, E!
We all have a right to our own opinion on things, esp when a thread invites it... so understand this is just my #twocents# Every time I share my feelings on this topic I am attacked for it. Talk about feeling silenced! The way you express your opinion is rude and insulting. That's what I and others have a problem with; not your opinion itself, but your blatant animosity toward those of us who have children or want them. It's uncalled-for and is so offensive, it would be grounds to ban a regualar member, or at least garner a warning.
I consider myself to be eligible for at least auxilliary membership in that "club" btw, having fathered two kids -- that counts right? ;D OF COURSE!!! I apologize to all the dads out there for not saying this more clearly in my original post!! Please, dads! Let us know how your kids affected your life (and your wife/gf/surrogate) and what you think Danny might do... or should do; whatever.
As for Danny, I don't think, as you said, she "reinforces the idea that... we're all just walking wombs waiting and longing to be impregnated." Maybe she wanted a child but the issue was never addressed... maybe it wasn't planned but not safeguarded against. That doesn't mean she's a bad role model; hell if anything she worked right up until the end. That's determination (for her career). And maybe she will take time off to care for her son, but again, it's just prioritizing. A few months she may return. It's about choice. So while I completely respect your choice not to have children (I have friends who feel the same way), you must respect that there are women who have or plan to give birth and to respect their choices, and not to belittle their choices as old-fashioned and society treating them as walking wombs. It's insulting. Thanks for your comments, IAR.... you're going to be a cool mom!!
I admire Shawn Ryan for accepting nature's course and working with it instead of sending Catherine Dent away until the baby was born. I also admire Dent for her willingness to stay on the job right up to the end, for being brave enough to allow her stomach to be exposed when it was huge. Many women feel very self-conscious about that; obviously, she was proud of it, and rightfully so. AMEN! I know some shows write the women out of the story for a while, or have them go on a vacation where they're only seen from the boobs up, talking on the phone from their hotel room, or having them stand behind chairs and peering around corners to disguise the pregnancy. I was thrilled to see her big baby bump - she's taken very VERY good care of hers, btw! Not all of them look so pretty; mine sure didn't.
I'd like to see Danny work through a decision to stay home. Maybe she gets shot (again) or something else happens to make her want to stay home. Hopefully, one of those hot brothers of hers will stay on and support her! Come on, Shield writers! We ladies need a big tall blond Mr. Sofer around the Barn, eh??
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Post by qb on Mar 30, 2006 12:29:45 GMT -5
E sez:The way you express your opinion is rude and insulting. That's what I and others have a problem with; not your opinion itself, but your blatant animosity toward those of us who have children or want them. It's uncalled-for and is so offensive, it would be grounds to ban a regualar member, or at least garner a warning.
And, hon, the problem some members have with you is that you want to censor any strong opinion that does not agree with your own or isn't stated in exactly the way you want to hear it by outright deletion of the offending post or by "warning" the author. FYI: a strong and strongly stated opinion does NOT equal flame bait just because it irritates you.
We enjoy a gritty, no-holds-barred series... rough stuff & ugly truths that make us squirm. I hardly expect people here to say things in flowery words just to pass your inspection.
Maybe you didn't like my opinion, but I did not attack anyone. I think I was rather cordial about it even while being attacked with accusations like "bitter" "frustrated" "animosity" etc I refuse to be insulted by anything anyone says around here, hon! And guess what... those sling-back pumps look great on me today!! ;D
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 30, 2006 12:56:14 GMT -5
E sez: The way you express your opinion is rude and insulting. That's what I and others have a problem with; not your opinion itself, but your blatant animosity toward those of us who have children or want them. It's uncalled-for and is so offensive, it would be grounds to ban a regualar member, or at least garner a warning. And, hon, the problem some members have with you is that you want to censor any strong opinion that does not agree with your own or isn't stated in exactly the way you want to hear it. We enjoy a gritty, no-holds-barred series... rough stuff, ugly truths that make us squirm. I hardly expect people here to say things in flowery words just to pass your inspection. I enjoy intelligent debate, but I can't have that with you because of your offensive language, wrong assumptions, and personal attacks on the board and in private messages.
The TSR Rules and Guidelines specifically state: - Don’t post flame-bait. It’s ok to have strong opinions, but please don’t try to irritate other members just for effect.
If you have a serious problem with another member, take it off site. [/size]
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Post by qb on Mar 30, 2006 13:01:15 GMT -5
The TSR Rules and Guidelines specifically state: [/b] [size1]- Don’t post flame-bait. It’s ok to have strong opinions, but please don’t try to irritate other members just for effect.
If you have a serious problem with another member, take it off site. [/size] [/quote] I know what it says because I WROTE IT. FYI: a strong and strongly stated opinion does NOT equal flame bait just because it irritates you. Believe it or not, people have strong opinions without thinking "How can I say it just to upset E!" (ah, mostly because we seldom know what will set you off )
Now I am done with this silliness. If you want to speak more on it, you are welcome to send me a PM. See above!
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 30, 2006 13:25:14 GMT -5
LOL!!! You said you were done with this thread 8 or 9 posts ago, hon. But whatever......
Danny has said she wants to do this on her own, so does that mean she doesn't want Vic's input at all on anything? Assuming he is the dad, how might he feel about not being involved in Lee's life? I mean, medical decisions could come up.... How will he feel keeping this from his other kids? They have a little brother and will find out about him one day.
"When he's old enough" is when, exactly? Old enough to understand that mommies and daddies don't always live together? Or old enough to understand that mommy and daddy are both cops with dangerous jobs? When might Lee ask "Who's my daddy?"
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Post by tplss96 on Mar 30, 2006 16:38:16 GMT -5
There's no flaming here?
Now I'm just... sad.
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 30, 2006 16:39:40 GMT -5
LOL! Hey, lets whip out the flame throwers and scorch the Earth; whaddaya say, TOPLESS?!
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Post by tplss96 on Mar 30, 2006 16:41:21 GMT -5
I'm down.
You have to get pissy and call people names like fucklips, douche monkey, etc. to keep it entertaining. I don't care how smart you are, I wanna know how funny you are. ;D
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 30, 2006 16:59:37 GMT -5
UUuuuuuuugghhhh... ^ what a douche monkey! #roflao# #roflao# #roflao# only kidding.....
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