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Post by SHAKA on Apr 8, 2005 1:59:58 GMT -5
Hey I'm just curious to find out, who everyone thinks is the best villain out of all 4 seasons so far...and also why?
Of course, the definition of a villain in a show like 'The Shield' is quite vague...and although we love to hate Mara and Acaveda...I hope its fair to say...they are not villains
I guess this can include people like the Cuddler Rapist and any other perp from Dutch/Claudette's cases (especially serial murderer who broke Dutch down into tears)...but I was thinking more like big time guys, like the Armenian-Jesus Looking Guy (forgot his name), Armadillo, Antwon Mitchell etc...
And now for my thoughts...
I personally thought Armadillo is and will most likely be the best villain in The Shield. He was the Yin to Vic's Yang (in a messed up sort of way). I still remember the intense feeling I got when I saw Ronnie lying on his back, burned in the face, in Vic's hotel room.
Armadillo was just as smart...if not smarter than Vic (especially in ways of the law). And the majority of time that Vic ended up 'defeating' Armadillo was through bending the law (which is where Armadillo mis/underestimated Vic)...like sending in an minor to go undercover. And of course...the prime example was when they slipped a knife to that other perpetrator...who ended up stabbing him.
Well that was my thought....n e one else?
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Post by chemikalman on Apr 11, 2005 17:34:36 GMT -5
Hey I'm just curious to find out, who everyone thinks is the best villain out of all 4 seasons so far...and also why? Of course, the definition of a villain in a show like 'The Shield' is quite vague...and although we love to hate Mara and Acaveda...I hope its fair to say...they are not villains I guess this can include people like the Cuddler Rapist and any other perp from Dutch/Claudette's cases (especially serial murderer who broke Dutch down into tears)...but I was thinking more like big time guys, like the Armenian-Jesus Looking Guy (forgot his name), Armadillo, Antwon Mitchell etc...
And now for my thoughts... I personally thought Armadillo is and will most likely be the best villain in The Shield. He was the Yin to Vic's Yang (in a messed up sort of way). I still remember the intense feeling I got when I saw Ronnie lying on his back, burned in the face, in Vic's hotel room. Armadillo was just as smart...if not smarter than Vic (especially in ways of the law). And the majority of time that Vic ended up 'defeating' Armadillo was through bending the law (which is where Armadillo mis/underestimated Vic)...like sending in an minor to go undercover. And of course...the prime example was when they slipped a knife to that other perpetrator...who ended up stabbing him. Well that was my thought....n e one else?
I'll have to say Antwon gets my vote, though I also really liked Armadillo as a villain, too. Margos (Jesus look-alike) was bad, but in a crazy way. Armadillo fits the old saying "if you had brains, you'd be dangerous." But Antwon goes one step further by not only being cunning and ruthless, he's also doing a pretty damn good job of passing himself off as a positive force in the community, like some gangster types try to do. Armadillo never bothered with this.
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Post by twistedjustice on Dec 29, 2005 1:31:51 GMT -5
ive read a lot of peoples opinions on who the best villain is. A lot of people seem to think it was armadillo, and even ill admit he was a very bad person, but i still think its antwone. Antwone was like a mob boss, armadillo really only dabbled in drugs, but antwone had his nose in everything and above all that he had the people on his side and he had a cop working for him. So even though season 4 was less action, i still think antwone is the best and most dangerous villain.
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Post by Dead Armenian on Dec 29, 2005 7:25:54 GMT -5
Armadillo was "best" (most engaging) in terms of audience provocation...he did such horrid things (tattooing a little girl he'd raped, burning people alive, sittin' round in speedos laughing at the law) that you just went crazy wanting Vic to get him.
I agree that Antwon was a smarter leader...Armadillo stayed too close to the edge. But, in terms of drama, Armadillo was the best (although some of the crazies in Dutch's file would surpass him if they were the focus of a season).
Of course on polls I always vote for Margos, the original Dead Armenian.
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Post by -|E|- on Dec 29, 2005 7:55:00 GMT -5
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Post by slickvic on Dec 30, 2005 1:59:54 GMT -5
I think Margos was. Not that he was the best actor (he didnt get much screen time), but because he put on an image of being like the Godfather. I guess you could say the same for Antwon, but he was more of a loud mouthed dude. Margos meant business and carried it out proffesionally in an organized crime way. I still remember how creepy it was at the end of S3 when Margos called (i dont remember her name) over to see vic busting the heroin from his window....he called her calmly and stabbed her in the neck without any remorse. It was sick.
But then again when antwon shot that girl, that was really bad too.
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Post by styl3s on Jan 10, 2006 14:35:51 GMT -5
Margos! crazy evil jesus looking freak lol
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Post by amishmobster on Jan 10, 2006 14:59:37 GMT -5
Armadillo hands down, that was such a good villian
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Post by blade on Jan 11, 2006 2:41:34 GMT -5
my favorite is kern. guess he isn't really a villain...but in a way he is a bad guy. him and vic made a good team. plus the actor that plays him is really good. he was one of the main chars on "over there" too.
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Post by lemgirl on Aug 17, 2006 18:48:57 GMT -5
Armadillo is definitely the top dog!
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Post by mackman on Aug 17, 2006 22:32:39 GMT -5
I'd rank em like this:
1) Antwon 2) Armadillo 3) Margos
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Post by mdrn on Aug 18, 2006 1:51:19 GMT -5
what about doomsday? I liked him, he was funny!
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Post by electroshockblues on Aug 18, 2006 1:54:00 GMT -5
One thing I've always found interesting about the villains on 'The Shield' is that the way that they've been written has varied considerably. Margos and Armadillo were written as enigmatic, unknowable, two-dimensional embodiments of evil, with very little character development, whilst Gilroy and Antwon were written in completely the opposite way - as rounded, nuanced and recognisably human characters.
I think that a lot of this has to do with what the relevant plotlines were trying to achieve. For instance, with Armadillo and Margos making them 3-dimensional, human characters would serve no purpose when all that was needed of the characters was for them to provide an obstacle for the Strike Team, whilst with Gilroy and Antwon it was important to make them human as they had strong ties to main characters and themes of the show. It was important to make Gilroy human because of his connection to Vic, and the similarities between him and Vic that Vic tries to deny. Seeing Gilroy - the older version of Vic - bawling his eyes out in his underwear, a broken man destroyed by his demons, has a lot of interesting implications. Similarly, with Antwon I think it was important to make him human as such a large part of Season 4 was focussed on the effect of drugs and gangs on Farmington's black community. Having Antwon as a recognisably human product of that particular social situation was definitely the right way to go - making him a satanic, 2-dimensional personification of evil like Armadillo would have removed focus from the season's social issues. Comparing the backstories for Armadillo and Antwon backs up this idea. With Armadillo we're simply told that he raped his teacher when he was an adolescent - we've no insight into his motive or as to where his violent nature has come from - all that matters is that its there and the Strike Team and Claudette have to deal with it. With Antwon, however, we're told about how he used to try and block out the sounds of his sister being raped by his father, and how his mother eventually murdered his father in retribution, giving us insight into why Antwon does what he does.
Both "types" of villain work very well as the writers of the show always seem to know when its neccesary to develop a villain beyond the two-dimensional, and when its best to leave them two-dimensional. This goes for "lesser" villains as well, such as Juan, who was wisely-developed in light of his significance to Aceveda's plotline and Guardo whose penchant for murder and destruction has so far been little more than a plot device.
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Post by jw on Aug 24, 2006 15:01:43 GMT -5
Ben Gilroy, without question. I prefer a head game.
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Post by danimal12483 on Mar 24, 2007 1:35:13 GMT -5
i think shane was the BEST VILLIAN. he was a villian in season 4, until towards the end of the season. and he was the best because he know the strike teams moves. and he was playin both sides for a little bit. so if you ask me who played the best villian, i'd say shane, he played the part well.
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Post by danimal12483 on Mar 24, 2007 1:36:56 GMT -5
you never said WORST villian. i would say armidillo though. he raped a little girl, that was the worst.
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Post by shifty on Mar 24, 2007 15:58:41 GMT -5
I would say Antwon is the best villian. He is the only one to have actually given Vic and his guys trouble. Armidillo did give them some trouble but they killed him. Vic has never been able to get up on Antwon. That is why I think he is the best villian.
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Post by ShootFirst on Mar 26, 2007 12:45:51 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that Antwon edged Armadillo by a very slim margin. But I had to pick a winner so there you go. Pretty much for reasons stated above. Able to put up a good front in his community, completely ruthless, able to get a lot of $hit done. And when he went down, it sorta seemed like it was on his own terms in a way.
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Post by Strike Team 4 Life on Mar 26, 2007 14:26:50 GMT -5
I meant for "Best Villain" to mean the best storyline....
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