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Post by chemikalman on Jun 10, 2007 22:37:47 GMT -5
Lots of people have not been happy with the S06 finale--not dramatic or shocking enough. So here's your chance ... how would YOU have ended this season?
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Post by tsarina on Jun 10, 2007 23:01:05 GMT -5
God, I wish I had an answer for this one, but I draw a blank. I wasn't too pleased with the finale myself, to be honest. I liked the hell out of 6x09, but 6x10 was anti-climactic, I think. I don't know how I would've ended it. Good question, looking forward to responses.
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Post by cuffs on Jun 10, 2007 23:48:33 GMT -5
I am reading with interest the somewhat downer comments. I haven't seen the finale myself, I am catching it tonight, but looks like some great lines and news that Hiatt and Tina get it on makes me smile. They have been like two horny ass beasties--circling one another since Hiatt rode (ahem) into Dodge but don't they have wonderful charisma and gorgeous looks--I just feel sorry for Dutchy!
If I dislike it, maybe I can come back and give it my own try!
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Post by tsarina on Jun 11, 2007 0:20:59 GMT -5
My disappointment with it was mild...it just....kind of dragged on and there wasn't much action, a lot of stuff being set up for next season I believe. I don't know, I liked 6x09 better. And while we there, I should say that Chiklis' directing of 6x05 was the strongest episode he's directed yet, of all three episodes he's directed. Not that that has much to do with the finale, it doesn't. As far as good vs. bad episodes, or weak vs. strong episodes, I thought 6x05 was one of the better eps this season, along with 6x08, 6x09. 6x10 was just lacking ... something.
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Post by kinglouis on Jun 11, 2007 7:21:53 GMT -5
It's not that Episode 10 was a bad episode (in fact it was a good episode), it was a bad episode to end the season. Episode 9 had a more dramatic ending than Episode 10.
I'd have ended it with Rezian threatening to destroy Mackey and Snell and their families unless Shane becomes the Armenians' snitch. Have the focus of the episode of perhaps being Shane stopping Diro from punishing the Strike Team as opposed to the focus being put on Pazuela's story. (So A story = Shane/Diro, B story = Mackey/Aceveda/Pazuela)
Explore Shane's dynamics more - he killed Lem to protect himself and the team, and have the writers remind the audience of that fact. Remind us of the deep sacrifice Shane had to make. I believe the last few episodes felt much more hollow than the first few was because we don't really feel the effects of Lem's death anymore. Season 6 should really be mostly about how Lem's death affects the Barn - and after Shane's confession, we don't really feel it anymore.
Also I'd really have the Shane/Diro storyline fleshed out - a cat/mouse game between the two, all cloak and dagger like with Mackey/Kavanaugh. I'd also show Shane's regret of killing Lem once more by risking everything to protect Vic and Ronnie - to show that he wants to redeem himself by protecting the 2 that Lem loved most.
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Post by mackey07 on Jun 11, 2007 12:12:09 GMT -5
For those who didnt like the season finale, well..., no one liked the series finale of the Sopranos either!!!
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Post by gspot71 on Jun 12, 2007 15:08:40 GMT -5
For those who didnt like the season finale, well..., no one liked the series finale of the Sopranos either!!! At least the Shield has a chance to come back and work off the disappointment, us Soprano fans are left with a big pile of crap and no resolution
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Post by cuffs on Jun 12, 2007 16:09:19 GMT -5
Rumour has it the f-ed up Soprano ending is a movie-in-the-making.
I've never watched that series but I know I'd be ticked, too, even if a movie was possible or even likely!
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Post by badcop187 on Jun 12, 2007 22:47:47 GMT -5
THe sopranos ending, while no resolution was made. I understand it. It is just meant to say that life went on as we knew it for the last 7 years. While not very exciting for viewers, I kind of like it. Hell Next season I would be ok with say shane dying, and the last scene being Vic and Ronnie getting ready to kick in a door of some gang bangers. Kind of like a few season ago, when Vic said something to the effect of the "air just smells better today" just before they raided a house. No death, no jail, no retirement for now just business as usual.
Of course there needs to be a musical montage in there too!
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Post by chemikalman on Jun 13, 2007 23:13:07 GMT -5
I was thinking something like this: Corrine and Cassidy get out of the cab after being let out of the truck by Shane and explaining their ordeal to Vic. A suspicious black car with dark tinted windows drives by (which actually happened in the ep). The windows go down and automatic weapos appear. Vic sees it coming down and knocks his wife and kid to the ground as we hear a shower of gunfire from the car. We can't tell if anyone's been hit, or maybe we see either Corrine or Cass covered in blood before the screen goes to black.
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Post by anavarchus on Jun 13, 2007 23:32:31 GMT -5
I think perhaps it should come out that Diro has really known all along that Shane was a part of the Money Train heist and has really been playing him the whole time, seeing how much she could get him to subjugate himself and seeing how much info she could get out of him.
Then, Shane could pay the "Armenian" way, as had been mentioned by her several times this season. I.E.: his entire family (especially that idiot wife of his) gets killed before his eyes, and then, just for good measure, they could come up with some really gruesome mafia-type torture for him...like, oh, maybe being eviscerated while still alive and left to bleed to death while his "friends" watched on and did nothing.
As for Vic, I think he's gonna have to answer for Terry. That's one of the few things he's done that's never quite washed. Everything else could probably be justified because the victims were criminals, but Terry was a COP...and he shouldn't have been killed. Since this was the impetus of the whole series, I think it's gonna have to come full circle somehow. I think Vic's done too much for too long to walk scot-free...but maybe he could do the honors of eviscerating Shane. (After hanging him up and beating him with a log chain...that was pretty good.)
I would like Ronnie to maybe take over the Strike Team. Some think he lacks Vic's strength, but I disagree. I think he's just as strong, and honestly a lot smarter.
I think Dutch should finally get the girl (preferrably Danny)! And I also think he should arrive at the conclusion that Shane killed Lem...just so that his death can be "officially" solved and so that everyone can know what Shane did (well, at least one of the evil things that Shane's done).
Just a few thoughts! Great idea for a thread!! Thanks!
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Post by electroshockblues on Jun 14, 2007 3:16:34 GMT -5
Whilst I've never been one who thought that Tavon's plot was "unresolved" I thought that it was a missed opportunity not to make him a factor in the S6 finale.
After saying that Vic and his guys took down the money train Shane is asked to elaborate further, and so points the finger specifically at Vic, Ronnie and poor dead Lem. However, some of the Armenians who were present at the raid and still have both feet attatched remember that there were four guys who robbed the money train - not three. This causes Shane to point the finger at Tavon as well who, as records will show, was a member of the Strike Team at the time. I think it would have been awesome for Shane to panic and frame up another innocent guy for something he did so soon after the Guardo incident - one who he can't write off as an "a**hole murderer". Shane would finally realise that he made a big mistake by telling Diro about the Money Train, but would decide to go with the flow and let Vic, Ronnie and Tavon take the fall rather than try and make things right. As far as the Corrine/Cassidy stuff goes, I think that Shane should kidnap them to save them as he did in the aired episode, just to show that he's still somewhat human, but there wouldn't be the confrontation between Shane and the Armenian hitman (because in my plot Shane is still trying to keep the Armenians on his side).
However, the Armenian's subsequently find out that that Shane "coincidentally" became the insurance witness for the Armenian advance-man on the day of the heist when he and Lem were tailing him. The advance-man is in witness protection now, but the name "Cleetus Van Damm" was recorded in relation to the incident, and the Armenians come across this when they investigated the advance-man's mysterious dissapearance. Shane inadvertently reveals himself to be "Cleetus Van Damm" when he uses the alias infront of one of the Armenians in a phone conversation.
The Armenians confront Shane but he escapes and goes to Vic for help. Shane confesses to Vic about telling the Armenians about the Money Train. Vic says to Shane that he'll help him as he has no choice, but instead he contacts the Armenians and the Armenians make him a deal - Vic will serve up Shane to them and Vic and Ronnie will be forced into paying off their debt to them in order to hold off their retribution. Vic makes it clear that Tavon wasn't involved and that Mara and Jackson are not part of the deal. However, Vic wants the Armenians to threaten Mara and Jackson in order to get him to give up the location of his memoirs, telling the Armenians that if Shane's notes come out after his death, he (Vic) won't be able to help them.
Things go ahead as planned and Shane is killed, except the Armenians hold onto Shane's memoirs instead of giving them to Vic. Vic thought that this would happen, but at least for the moment he's free of the immediate threat of both the Armenians' retribution and Shane's confession, and managed to get revenge for Lem into the bargain.
Most of the Aceveda/Pezuela/Vic stuff can stay, but it takes more of a backseat to the Armenian stuff. One minor change is that Vic says he'll only team up with Aceveda and hand him the original photo if he makes a public statement absolving Lem of any wrongdoing in light of Kavanaugh's arrest.
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Post by murt1987 on Jun 14, 2007 18:20:26 GMT -5
I think like a lot of people, i was expecting something dramatic to happen to Shane. But nothing happened to him, probably next season sometime I would have ended this seasons finale with Shane getting into more shit with the armenians with him possibly confessing all the shit he has done with the ST just to keep safe from the armenians. I can see him giving everybody up to save his own skin, even though Im sure he would say he's "doing it for the team" :lol:
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Post by xer0signal on Jun 18, 2007 2:24:44 GMT -5
It's not that Episode 10 was a bad episode (in fact it was a good episode), it was a bad episode to end the season. Episode 9 had a more dramatic ending than Episode 10. I'd have ended it with Rezian threatening to destroy Mackey and Snell and their families unless Shane becomes the Armenians' snitch. Have the focus of the episode of perhaps being Shane stopping Diro from punishing the Strike Team as opposed to the focus being put on Pazuela's story. (So A story = Shane/Diro, B story = Mackey/Aceveda/Pazuela) Explore Shane's dynamics more - he killed Lem to protect himself and the team, and have the writers remind the audience of that fact. Remind us of the deep sacrifice Shane had to make. I believe the last few episodes felt much more hollow than the first few was because we don't really feel the effects of Lem's death anymore. Season 6 should really be mostly about how Lem's death affects the Barn - and after Shane's confession, we don't really feel it anymore. Also I'd really have the Shane/Diro storyline fleshed out - a cat/mouse game between the two, all cloak and dagger like with Mackey/Kavanaugh. I'd also show Shane's regret of killing Lem once more by risking everything to protect Vic and Ronnie - to show that he wants to redeem himself by protecting the 2 that Lem loved most. wow. this is exactly how i feel about everything about the finale and final few episodes. that's kind of weird.
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Post by Nick Mills on Jun 22, 2007 14:00:18 GMT -5
I would have ended it with a cliffhanger and some urgency to see the next season.
So you had Shane's Russian situation, the Acaveda/Mackey teaming and the Dutch/Danny interest. I would have then taken the Vic line of "Shane's buddies... we're gonna crush him", removed it from the earlier scene in which it was used and added it in a final scene where Vic, fresh from the Pezuela situation, tells Ronnie that he's going to need his help in something. Ronnie asks what it is and then Vic says something like "Shane... he's becoming a problem" and add in the "He's showing with his Armenian buddies that..." followed by Ronnie asking what they're going to do.
A long pause entails and Vic then says the "We're going to crush him" piece of dialogue. And end it there. Not only does it leave open the fact that Shane might die at his former partners' hands but that it leaves the viewer anxious as to what happens and anxious that the situation earlier isn't what happened and that Shane actually tried to correct his wrongs. And THAT is a good cliffhangers to leave.
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Post by mjscarface on Sept 20, 2007 11:56:00 GMT -5
If anything, I was just let down by the final couple of scenes. I'd liked to have seen Shane's confession come later in the season, possibly for the finale. The final lines of dialogue would have been similar to last season "I will kill you" etc. but it would have been dramatic.
Otherwise, Shane letting the money train slip to Diro or Vic's pledge to crush him would have made better cliffhangers than his drive into the night.
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Post by electroshockblues on Sept 21, 2007 5:00:12 GMT -5
Its nearly exactly the same cliffhanger we had last season though.
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Post by acc on Sept 25, 2007 15:18:40 GMT -5
I guess I'll play devil's advocate and say that I think the Season 6 finale, while imperfect, was certainly more than serviceable in setting up The Final Season. Thinking logically, for the fall of Vic (and, as I think about it more and more, I suspect Aceveda, too--it does seem like they're forever intertwined with one another) to really resonate at the end of the series he has to be seemingly on top of the world.
I guess my biggest question is, why did they go the route of having Vic being possibly removed in the first place? Just to create an extra added layer of tension to the show for two seasons? (Strangely, the situation is never even mentioned in Season 5 beyond the first two episodes and then it comes back with full force in 6x01--perhaps a bit too convenient in retrospect.)
I think King Louis really hit it home. As enjoyable as I found almost all of the latter portion of Season 6, I kind of feel like the season was really two halves (6x01 to 6x06 and then 6x07 to 6x10). On another fan board there was a great deal of complaining about how the San Marcos case was "dullsville" and very few people found it genuinely engrossing. I liked it, however, and I liked how the writers dealt with it throughout the whole season--to me, aside from the obvious juicy stuff between Vic and Shane for the first six episodes, it was really the San Marcos case that kept me coming back for more throughout the season.
I think it's rather obvious that Vic isn't *really* going to crush Shane. Once he learns the truth--that Shane sort of made up for his horrendously pusillanimous actions with regards to Lem and then the Armenian mob by saving Vic's wife and kid (though, without Shane, they'd never have been in that situation to begin with, but never mind that) he'll be surprisingly lenient. Then again, I suppose I could be wrong. I just wish the writers hadn't written themselves into this corner where something logically should happen or *something* has to fall. Maybe they'll write themselves out of it to sustain the thirteen episodes required to make the final season--after all, the whole season can't really be about Vic crushing Shane; rather, they'll most likely make one last unholy alliance (kind of like Vic and Aceveda recently) that has something to do with taking Pezuela down.
I know a lot of people disagree with this, but I'm glad Season 6 didn't end with the kind of "OH MY GOD" cliffhanger Season 5 concluded with. For one thing, the show's never been about that, really, except in the more minute sense of one episode or two or maybe three a season having a kind of conclusion that screams "Tune in next week, suckers!" Having Season 5 end the way it did, in truly powerful, dramatic fashion was a great, ballsy, move and I think letting Season 6 end on something of a mellow "high-note" for most of the characters was probably equally ballsy in the long run, if for no other reason than it services Season 7 better that way.
I really do believe that 7x13 will be like 5x11, except this time things will be permanent and all-encompassing. For now, I say let them keep working up to that.
Sorry for not really partaking in your scheme, chem. Haha.
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Post by chemikalman on Sept 25, 2007 19:13:08 GMT -5
Hey, acc, great to hear from you again. Actually, I agree with you. And anyone who uses a word like pusillanimous is all right by me. You're still in college, right? Glad to see those tuition bucks paying off.
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Post by tsarina on Sept 25, 2007 19:34:29 GMT -5
pusillanimous(pyū'sə-lăn'ə-məs)adj. cowardly, or lacking courage. I had never heard such a word.
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