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Post by xer0signal on Apr 25, 2007 0:56:17 GMT -5
anyone else find this to be a bit out of character for her?
now, of course she does not like vic at all. everyone knows that. but here's a character who's basis has been built on righteousness and truth since the pilot. it even lost her the captain seat before.
i understand new job - new responsibilities. but i just feel like this is a pretty huge lie to tell someone, and i just don't buy that she'd be so quick and willing to do it.
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Post by Cletus Van Damme on Apr 25, 2007 4:20:49 GMT -5
This is from my post in the episode discussion thread
----------------------------------------- Claudette makes me sick.
She's blatantly lying to a man that wants and needs to keep his job. This man also has two autistic kids and needs to provide, remember Claudette?
She's giving him false hope about the appeal hearing, which is never going to happen. And lying to Vic was her own play, not something that the 'brass' asked her to do.
Where are all her holier that thou bullshit speeches about how 'The only way to change this place is through the truth', etc etc??
To summarize: I'm a Vic-enabler. Although I agree that Claudette's tactics make sense from her perspective, I dont give two shits about Claudette being a good captain and I couldn't care less about her point of view.
And one more thing: What's this, Claudette has her 'own people' now and is trying to stack the strike team in her favor? She's really settled into the power chair quite nicely. Just goes to show... ----------------------------------------------------------------
I completely buy her willingness to lie to Vic. Power corrupts, its that simple. You have to make decisions like those when you're in that kind of a position. Plus, Claudette detests Vic so she doesnt feel she owes him any favors. And maybe there's the motive of revenge after everything that went down in Season 2.
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Post by stealingjoy on Apr 25, 2007 6:40:40 GMT -5
She's lying to keep Hiatt safe. She has good suspicions that Vic has routinely broken the law in the past -- murder, drug dealing, brutality, etc. She wants to get rid of the worst apple in the Barn.
I don't think power has corrupted her yet. She's using that power to make the Barn a better place and getting rid of corrupt cops is a way to do that.
It's a far cry from lying to keep the new cop safe and to make sure Vic doesn't go off the grind than it is to let him to go jail for Lem's murder.
Seriously, a little perspective is needed here. In the real world, this would be the right thing to do. Vic-enablers should just accept that they like Vic too much, not to try to rationalize Claudette into a bad person.
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Post by lynch345 on Apr 25, 2007 9:49:32 GMT -5
I think it's a little short-sighted to suddenly start hating Claudette for lying to Vic. She did, after all, save Vic from prison only two episodes earlier. I don't think she owes Vic anything.
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Post by Cletus Van Damme on Apr 25, 2007 9:59:57 GMT -5
One last thing regarding Claudette:
Remember at the end of season 4, when Captain Rawling asked Dutch and Claudette to hold a press conference and say that they had a suspect in custody regarding the Carl and Scooby shootings? Remember Claudette's incredulous "You want us to lie" response?
Contrasting this with the Vic situation, it would seem that Claudette has no qualms about lying when it serves her own ulterior motives, or at the very least she's learning how to do so now that she's captain.
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Post by xer0signal on Apr 25, 2007 11:01:52 GMT -5
i'm not saying she's a bad person or anything.
i just think it's a fault in the writing of her character.
like many things in last night's episode, i just don't buy it.
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Post by ktjzm on Apr 25, 2007 12:18:35 GMT -5
I seem to agree with you xer for some reason the writing in this season is just not hitting the mark. It isn't the same as last five seasons. I watch faithfully but there is just something missing.
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Post by fakeor on Apr 27, 2007 17:33:38 GMT -5
I believe that Hyatt will bail Vic out of the fire with the whole retirement thing in order to lure him into false trust, in order to get him eventually to start doing bad things again. I believe Claudette probably knows the whole thing, due to her giving him the run of the Strike team. Im guessing that Hyatt is really working for someone higher. Just my thought.
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Post by chemikalman on Apr 27, 2007 19:14:19 GMT -5
One last thing regarding Claudette: Remember at the end of season 4, when Captain Rawling asked Dutch and Claudette to hold a press conference and say that they had a suspect in custody regarding the Carl and Scooby shootings? Remember Claudette's incredulous "You want us to lie" response? Contrasting this with the Vic situation, it would seem that Claudette has no qualms about lying when it serves her own ulterior motives, or at the very least she's learning how to do so now that she's captain. Great point. I'm with you all the way on this, cletus. When you portray yourself at 100% behind truth and justice, you can't change that no matter how noble you think your cause is. Truth is truth. Half-truths, deception and even little white lies are not. And later in the same ep she promotes Julien to the ST (see the related thread in this board). That is also skirting the process, the system--another sign that Claudette's dazzling shine is getting tarnished by exposure to power (had to get some chemistry terms in somehow ). Kav tried to bring Vic down and ended up getting down to his level right along with him and look how he ended up--behind bars with Vic on the outside looking in--God, what a great, great scene that was! I think the writers are trying to make a point by setting Wyms up for a similar fate ... and I'm kind of digging it.
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Post by BringBackTavon on Apr 30, 2007 9:35:34 GMT -5
Let us not forget that at the end of the day Claudette needs to keep her job. She needs the Strike Team to be effective. In order for the Strike Team to be effective they need a leader. The leader is no longer Vic. Vic has a legacy of having team members dead (Terry and Lem), badly hurt (Tavon) and quitting (Army, the Decoy Squad). She knows that Vic does a good job, she also knows that the decision to keep or release Vic is not her decision, but she does want Vic to properly train his replacement. This, as she saw it, was the only way to do it, and she was probably right. At the end of the day this is not even close to one of the worst lies on the show. ps: this is the topic of the editorial I am currently working on...for those who care
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Post by ShootFirst on Apr 30, 2007 21:51:14 GMT -5
One last thing regarding Claudette: Remember at the end of season 4, when Captain Rawling asked Dutch and Claudette to hold a press conference and say that they had a suspect in custody regarding the Carl and Scooby shootings? Remember Claudette's incredulous "You want us to lie" response? Contrasting this with the Vic situation, it would seem that Claudette has no qualms about lying when it serves her own ulterior motives, or at the very least she's learning how to do so now that she's captain. Great point. I'm with you all the way on this, cletus. When you portray yourself at 100% behind truth and justice, you can't change that no matter how noble you think your cause is. Truth is truth. Half-truths, deception and even little white lies are not. And later in the same ep she promotes Julien to the ST (see the related thread in this board). That is also skirting the process, the system--another sign that Claudette's dazzling shine is getting tarnished by exposure to power (had to get some chemistry terms in somehow ). Kav tried to bring Vic down and ended up getting down to his level right along with him and look how he ended up--behind bars with Vic on the outside looking in--God, what a great, great scene that was! I think the writers are trying to make a point by setting Wyms up for a similar fate ... and I'm kind of digging it. I think you both have hit the nail on the head. Her decisions do go against what she has made her character out to be. In this case, she doesn't see it as lying for the sake of power but rather not tellng the truth to see that the "right thing" is done in her eyes. She trurly believes in the end justifying the means and that giving false hope to Vic is the right thing to do for herself and the Barn. We all know that it will backfire. Vic will not go down like this. We have a whole season to wrap up the show and all its loose ends after this one and there's no way in haides that Vic is in any capacity other than professional ass whooper.
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