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Aceveda
Apr 6, 2007 22:42:49 GMT -5
Post by icy on Apr 6, 2007 22:42:49 GMT -5
I hope that Vic digs up some shit on Aceveda. He and KAV are the reason the team believed Lem turned on the Strike Team. He shows virtually no remorse for his decision. I want to see his ass go down hard! I think KAV is so psycho that he will eventually bring himself down.
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Aceveda
Apr 6, 2007 22:48:29 GMT -5
Post by tsarina on Apr 6, 2007 22:48:29 GMT -5
Me too, icy. Amen to that! And I think Kav will bring himself down too. I think Vic will find out about the rape (I hope he does). Ass-a-veda needs humbled again.
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Post by -|E|- on Apr 7, 2007 1:05:10 GMT -5
Aceveda should be raked over the coals for his hand in Lem's death, but as far as his rape goes.... nah, that should stay buried.
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Post by xer0signal on Apr 9, 2007 2:52:58 GMT -5
i wouldn't say that he showed no remorse. you could definitely see that he was upset when they were all around lem's corpse in the car.
and in his confrontation with vic in the season 6 opener, i thought he looked ashamed when he said that line about being "just the voice of an opinion" or something.
i don't see how there is any possible way of the rape ever coming up again. a) there's no one left who really knows about it besides his wife, right? b) one of the shows big themes is paying for one's sins. i'd say the fact that he was raped is pretty intense enough. no need for anyone to find out really and bring it all back up again. i'm sure aceveda will get his by the time this series is over and it'll be in a way that none of us could have thought of.
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Post by scorpsik on Apr 9, 2007 3:05:07 GMT -5
I remember watching season 1 on its first airing in the UK, and if someone had told me Aceveda would have turned out this way, I wouldn't have believed them. Like Kavanaugh, he has become the very thing he tried to oust.
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Aceveda
Apr 9, 2007 15:56:34 GMT -5
Post by jray on Apr 9, 2007 15:56:34 GMT -5
I think Kav will bring himself down...he's already started to do just that. How much twisting has he had to do just to get the clearance to keep on after Vic?
As for Aceveda, I think that Vic will bring him down before he brings himself down. How triumphant of a moment would that be? Aceveda has been a thorn in his side for a long time. Maybe he meets a certain, "woman of the night?"
Shouldn't that whole screwed up mess cause some backlash? I mean he tried to relieve himself of the rape by taking it out on her. It's not normal or healthy, and for a high-class prostitute, you would think there'd be no better way to get a couple $$$ than by blackmail, or even just to get at him by leaking to the press.
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Aceveda
Apr 10, 2007 1:40:00 GMT -5
Post by xer0signal on Apr 10, 2007 1:40:00 GMT -5
uh, i'd say aceveda's mind has some serious enough backlash from all of that by itself.
also, a thorn in vic's side? yes, he's done some messed up stuff recently, but remember at first he was trying to take down a bad dude.
alterior motives aside, in the real world, he was doing the right thing.
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Aceveda
Apr 10, 2007 5:15:51 GMT -5
Post by electroshockblues on Apr 10, 2007 5:15:51 GMT -5
Oh, come on.
How do you expect someone to act in a "normal" or "healthy" manner when they've been raped?
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Aceveda
Apr 10, 2007 6:18:04 GMT -5
Post by scorpsik on Apr 10, 2007 6:18:04 GMT -5
[Oh, come on. How do you expect someone to act in a "normal" or "healthy" manner when they've been raped? I agree 100% Rape is as much about power as it is violation. The victim has their power and their control ripped away. It IS 'normal' for a victim of that to have serious struggles with violence, anger and control. How does one regain power and control? How does one vent that deep seated anger? I think Aceveda reacted in a thoroughly realistic manner, especially considering his position/job. I also felt it was VERY brave of the show to actually depict that reaction.
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Aceveda
Apr 10, 2007 8:32:44 GMT -5
Post by ktjzm on Apr 10, 2007 8:32:44 GMT -5
As I think about it the only one that could bring Aceveda down is Antwon as he is the one he made the deal with to kill the guy who raped him.Maybe lorenzo spilled the beans before he was killed in jail. I would think that Antwon is the only one who would benefit from telling that story. Bringing in the prostitute is possable in my mind if for some reason Vic and her meet up on different circumstances and she tries to get out of trouble by telling Vic about her and Aceveda. I think that Aceveda is ashamed that he had big part in Lems murder. He seemed sincerely moved and upset at the death scene and he seemed reluctant about giving the speech but like he told Vic he is the voice of the police commitee and he had a job to do. I don't know how it is all going to play out but I would think they have to have closure on everyones part in there dirty dealings and no one but Dutch and Claudette and few others will come out still standing.
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Aceveda
Apr 10, 2007 8:54:46 GMT -5
Post by electroshockblues on Apr 10, 2007 8:54:46 GMT -5
My thoughts exactly.
Besides, on second thought Aceveda did at first try to respond to his rape in a "normal" manner when he told Aurora about it. When she was incredibly unsympathetic he tried to deal with it in another way which, although both sleazy and illegal, was not directly harmful or hurtful towards anyone.
Even though Aceveda had this situation forced upon him he dealt with it in a responsible manner, unlike Dutch with his serial-killer obsession.
I also don't think that Aceveda gets enough credit for not murdering Juan when he had the chance to get away with it, or saving Vic's life in the S1 finale.
Like I've said tons of times, Aceveda's done some terrible things and deserves to "get his" as much as anyone. My problem is that people continually try to twist his rape and subsequent attempts to recover into being some kind of heinous crime, all the while ignoring all of the good things he's done as well as the bad things that he does deserve to be caught for (eventually having Juan murdered, the deal with Antwon, his hypocritical "holier than thou" attitude towards Vic).
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Aceveda
Apr 10, 2007 11:27:08 GMT -5
Post by sarah on Apr 10, 2007 11:27:08 GMT -5
I so want to see Aceveda get his. I would love to see him publicly humiliated for the stuff he has done.
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Aceveda
Apr 10, 2007 12:24:42 GMT -5
Post by jray on Apr 10, 2007 12:24:42 GMT -5
To clarify, how does sexually abusing someone else make you feel any better about being sexually abused? To say that Aceveda was responding reasonably is kind of a modern day cop-out. There's right and there's wrong, and if abusing a protitute can be seen as a healthy act of therapy, that line has been greyed. Too often we as a society take the stance that people aren't responsible for their actions because of their situation. I'm not trying to start a debate here about what kind of sexual conduct is or is not considered devious. I was trying to offer that as a realistic plot line possibility. In the real world, raped or not, people in places of power who sleep with prositutes are often found out, or blackmailed. Why should a minority city councilman be any different? The unfortunate truth is that there is a high probability that if Aceveda were a real life person, that prostitue would've more than likely used what she had on him as leverage; whether it be for money or other considerations.
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Aceveda
Apr 11, 2007 4:50:12 GMT -5
Post by electroshockblues on Apr 11, 2007 4:50:12 GMT -5
It wasn't sexual abuse - the prostitute was a willing partner.
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Aceveda
Apr 11, 2007 5:07:04 GMT -5
Post by scorpsik on Apr 11, 2007 5:07:04 GMT -5
[ The unfortunate truth is that there is a high probability that if Aceveda were a real life person, that prostitue would've more than likely used what she had on him as leverage; whether it be for money or other considerations. I don't agree. If you listen to the interviews with the actress on the DVDs - and I believe it is mentioned in the episodes - Sarah was also raped. She believes she is helping Aceveda cope with his own trauma. Not everyone in this world is out for their own ends. Not everyone is obsessed with money. She truly wanted to help him.
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Aceveda
Apr 11, 2007 17:29:00 GMT -5
Post by jray on Apr 11, 2007 17:29:00 GMT -5
Nice catch Scorp. I haven't shelled out for the DVD's yet...
I'll have to get them and go back and check, but in thinking about that moment I think she does try to console him, and says something along the lines of, "Is that what they did to you? It's not your fault."
Maybe I'm way off on all this! Regardless, even if she was completely empathetic to Aceveda, there's still a CHANCE that she could turn around and bite him in the ass if the need presented itself, which was my original point.
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Aceveda
Apr 12, 2007 0:16:02 GMT -5
Post by ShootFirst on Apr 12, 2007 0:16:02 GMT -5
[ The unfortunate truth is that there is a high probability that if Aceveda were a real life person, that prostitue would've more than likely used what she had on him as leverage; whether it be for money or other considerations. I don't agree. If you listen to the interviews with the actress on the DVDs - and I believe it is mentioned in the episodes - Sarah was also raped. She believes she is helping Aceveda cope with his own trauma. Not everyone in this world is out for their own ends. Not everyone is obsessed with money. She truly wanted to help him. Speaking in terms of reality, her trying to "help" David and not have anything in mind for herself is very far fetched. He was trying to, don't know if this is the right word or not, right the wrong done to him. If it were a real situation, it's VERY unlikely that a hooker would be there to help a stranger get through a traumatic and similar experience. The dollar makes folks do strange things. If someone has a rap sheet already, they have nothing to lose and everything to "gain". Everyone has a price.
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Aceveda
Apr 12, 2007 18:05:10 GMT -5
Post by Jan El Señor on Apr 12, 2007 18:05:10 GMT -5
Speaking in terms of reality, her trying to "help" David and not have anything in mind for herself is very far fetched. He was trying to, don't know if this is the right word or not, right the wrong done to him. If it were a real situation, it's VERY unlikely that a hooker would be there to help a stranger get through a traumatic and similar experience. The dollar makes folks do strange things. If someone has a rap sheet already, they have nothing to lose and everything to "gain". Everyone has a price. Speaking in terms of reality (and personal experience....), I'd the Sarah was a very accurate depiction of a hooker....
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Aceveda
Apr 12, 2007 19:11:40 GMT -5
Post by eekay on Apr 12, 2007 19:11:40 GMT -5
Nice catch Scorp. I haven't shelled out for the DVD's yet... I'll have to get them and go back and check, but in thinking about that moment I think she does try to console him, and says something along the lines of, "Is that what they did to you? It's not your fault." Maybe I'm way off on all this! Regardless, even if she was completely empathetic to Aceveda, there's still a CHANCE that she could turn around and bite him in the ass if the need presented itself, which was my original point.
She could turn around and bite him in the ass because she's an opportunistic whore, or if she decides that she has a moral objection to what he did to her (especially if she sees he's running for mayor), OR because she did try to reach out to him emotionally, more than once, and he rejected her. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. . .
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