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Post by qb on Mar 23, 2006 17:13:28 GMT -5
To E: I don't really understand your problem with me. To be honest I never try to offend anyone or ruin anything with my posts. I still don't know what i did wrong with my poll last time. This is just the way people post in forums. I'm not used to being polite with forums because it's not like i'm going to meet any of you in real life. So here I can freely express myself without worrying about hurting peoples feelings. And that was a cheap shot with the grammar thing lol. O well, i guess that's why they call you a queenbitch haha. I guess free speech doesn't exist on this forum huh? Well sorry then, i'll try to tone it down...but my grammar will never change!!! muhaahahaha Actually, most forums have a section for flames. I think since the shield is such a controversial show, this forum should have one too. Flame sections are usually about anything but it's unmoderated so people can say wutever the hell they want. Of course there should be a warning on the title so people who don't want to see flame won't come in. It'll lessen the flames in regular threads for you guys who don't like it and it'll be fun for the people who do like it. well it's just a thought...it's up to u guys if you like the idea. The above part was to E but since you posted it in public, I will comment. TSR is not like "most forums". It was started by a small group of people who were sick of the behavior on "most forums"... people being nasty and belittling each other. The worst one is probably the FX Shield board (the other one self-imploded!). The FX board is an embarassment to the network and a disgrace to the series. We want nothing to do with that kind childish, abusive behavior.
I believe this is why Glen, the Executive Producer, likes us and communicates with our members. He's complimented us on the design and quality of the site. The TSR staff is proud of this, too!
Your statement "I'm not used to being polite with forums because it's not like i'm going to meet any of you in real life. So here I can freely express myself without worrying about hurting peoples feelings" gives me chills, Blade! As a matter of fact, we do meet one another when the opportunity arises! But that's not the point. If you don't care about being civil, you really don't belong on TSR. And one thing you'll NEVER EVER find here is a "section for flames." That's not what we're about! Please go elsewhere to work out anger issues.
As for grammar...hey, maybe it's not a gift. Spelling sure isn't mine! Doesn't matter, hon. Stick around with us and tell us your opinions but, please, don't treat us like strangers without feelings. As sweet Lem would say, we're family! <---ok, that's entirely too f-ing sappy. And look what his "brother" did to him!!
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 23, 2006 17:50:51 GMT -5
so how do you see vic? he shot a cop in the face. is he a monster as well? do you hate him as well? Please tell me how blowing up a fellow friend and cop going on false intel is on the same level as shooting a snitch cop in the face. I'm sorry to paint Terry that way, but that's the way it is. Terry actually looked peaceful when he died. It wasn't like Lem's passing at all. He was blown up by a grenade coming from the hands of the source of his problems in the first place. He didn't go right away. You could see the fading consciousness in his eyes. That alone makes what Shane did worse.
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Post by candylandgal on Mar 23, 2006 20:16:44 GMT -5
That's a really complex question, one that I think five seasons of The Shield has presented to me all along the way, and it's a complete nod to the genius of character development and portrayal, I think, that I've come up with different answers along the way depending on the moment. Vic is fascinating in that what I consider his most monstrous act was 'in your face' as a viewer in the first act, within The Pilot. In my particular case, I fell in complete adoration of the show in Season Two and came back to Season One to play catch up, so I threw off the development a little, but... ...in setting the stage like that, you have this character that everything tells me that I should despise thrown at me...and I have despised Vic at times...and then it became up to the show to show me how much human and rationale for his actions actually existed within the man. The character...just about all of the characters, really, are my most favorite 'type', not that they would ever fit any kind of mold, but they are of the 'Shades of grey' world where you can never take anything for granted, where you will be convinced that there is no black or white, that everything is complex and as layered as an onion. I might be starting to ramble off the question a bit so to try to pull back, yes, I have seen Vic as a monster...and then I've been convinced of completely the opposite in the most ingenious character development and exploration ever. They've given me a rationale that, while I don't know if I'd ever fall into step with it, I can follow the whys and hows of it all, have seen all of the layers of story and of the man himself that one had to try to put together to flesh out the man within. Yes, there are a lot of complexities to what Shane did as well...but like it was said above...I don't think there will be any coming to terms for me with what Shane did. I can see his reasonings, and they do nothing to make me feel less disgusted with him in this moment. It wasn't the same, because Lem would have (and did) give his life for them, and he put all of the faith in the world in them, never went his own way because of them, and only asked in return that his 'family' have his back as he always had theirs. Granted, this is coming from someone who has never loved Shane (but always appreciated him for the awesome portrayal behind him, of course), but felt like I could make enough allowances for him up to this point that I could hurl a few harsh words at him when he was acting like an ass and then move on with the character. Not anymore, though. Now I just want to move a weapon through the character. For me, Shane has been a constant cog in the wheel, the one who could be as ruthless, and now moreso, than Vic, but more 'ruthless for ruthless' sake'----a loose cannon without the rationale----who picked up on one lesson too many of how one could deal with an issue without ever considering that the issue was your best friend in the world. Vic did not teach him that, and I'm hoping that will be the focus for...and the green light for avenging Lem's death within...the back half of the season.
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Post by candylandgal on Mar 23, 2006 20:22:51 GMT -5
I had to PS myself to say that I also agree with axeman that it was as much in 'how' Lem went as anything.
Most people would die for their families and the ones they love. So to find someone who can rationalize...for any reason...the far too violent death of a loved one who still had a healthy and generous span of life before them...to stand there in the face of a dying Lem who even then, was innocent enough to look at his friend and question..."Shane?" in complete confusion because he couldn't accept that he was dying at the hands of his beloved friend...and for Shane to think that "I had to do it, buddy" somehow makes anything right about that...
Ugh, it still aches to think about that, and I'm so disgusted with Shane I could puke...
There can never be justification for it, is where I'm standing right now.
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 23, 2006 21:34:19 GMT -5
To add, Vic's always been at least trying to do good shit to balance out his sins. Shane has always been the worst member on the team. Regardless of how many cool lines Shane can spit or cool moments he had, nothing changed this to me. Now that he's blown up a fellow officer and a friend, he's on a whole new low. But I will give props to the writers though. Shane Vendrell is THE first time I've seen a character devolve like he has.
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