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Post by blade on Mar 22, 2006 2:10:39 GMT -5
yea so lem is dead. Boo hoo. I think that he wasn't that loyal to the team anyways. Maybe he was loyal to Vic...but i'm still glad he's gone. I hated all that moral crap spewing out of his mouth. Thanks for killing him for me Shane. Well with that said, I can now expect a bunch of hate messages coming my way...But still I HAD to say it. I was just sick of Lem man...im sorry...
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Post by qb on Mar 22, 2006 14:15:41 GMT -5
E posted about another post that smacked of flame bait but I'd say this one is worse. We've got some beautiful tributes to Lem and to the actors and writers in other threads. They're making me cry all over again! My co-workers must think a relative died or something.
Anyway, if I can be honest... this one is crappy. Not the member and not his dislike of Lem... just the way it's worded. Really sucks shit. Made me pretty pissed off when I read it last night. Come on, man, show some regard for the Lem fans in mourning!
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 22, 2006 14:41:57 GMT -5
yea so lem is dead. Boo hoo. I think that he wasn't that loyal to the team anyways. Maybe he was loyal to Vic...but i'm still glad he's gone. I hated all that moral crap spewing out of his mouth. Thanks for killing him for me Shane. Well with that said, I can now expect a bunch of hate messages coming my way...But still I HAD to say it. I was just sick of Lem man...im sorry... Whoa. I'm almost hesitant to even reply to this one, because I feel that it will give blade exactly what he wants; attention. He even says he's expecting a bunch of hate messages. Here's a little tip: If you expect your post to trigger hate messages, it probably has no place on TheShieldRap!
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Post by kingoffarmington on Mar 22, 2006 16:27:00 GMT -5
YEAH! STOP HAVING OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM THE REST OF US!
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 22, 2006 16:29:50 GMT -5
YEAH! STOP HAVING OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM THE REST OF US! That's unfair, kingoffarmington. No one said blade couldn't have a different opinion; we welcome different opinions here. The way his opinion was expressed was uncalled for, and that's what I have an issue with.
Anyone who KNOWS their post will cause hate messages is blatantly posting flame bait, IN MY OPINION.
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Post by styl3s on Mar 22, 2006 17:22:42 GMT -5
I dont really care for lem as well, better lem then ronnie IMO
and it had to be done.. shane was in the right.. lem was TO WEAK to keep it all a secret.
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Post by BenYankee on Mar 22, 2006 17:34:01 GMT -5
I dont really care for lem as well, better lem then ronnie IMO and it had to be done.. shane was in the right.. lem was TO WEAK to keep it all a secret. See...I don't understand the Ronnie love. To me, he is the most boring character on the show. We know virtually nothing about his life away from the Strike Team, and we hardly know his cop personality. Who is Ronnie? That's the question. I wouldn't be sad if Ronnie were gone. I'm shocked at Lem's death.
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 22, 2006 17:34:30 GMT -5
I know that, but he didn't deserve to die like that. Blown up by the man who got him into this mess in the first place over false info. Shane didn't even ask Lem about the truth. I'm pretty sure that Lem would have said he wasn't giving up the team, and Shane would have believed him. Yeah, Kav and his guys were sniffing blood, but... God, not that way. He did the least wrong of the team and was ready to go to jail for a long time for them. And VLM, you do have a point. But I understand the Ronnie love. He always does things behind the scenes. He found the wire in "Trophy." Maybe stuff like that is why some fans like him. He could kill a small village and get away with it though. That's how little we see and know about him.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 22, 2006 19:16:09 GMT -5
yea so lem is dead. Boo hoo. I think that he wasn't that loyal to the team anyways. Maybe he was loyal to Vic...but i'm still glad he's gone. I hated all that moral crap spewing out of his mouth. Thanks for killing him for me Shane. Well with that said, I can now expect a bunch of hate messages coming my way...But still I HAD to say it. I was just sick of Lem man...im sorry... Whoa. This one slipped past me - this is WAY more flame-baitish than the other one I commented on. I'm almost hesitant to even reply to this one, because I feel that it will give blade exactly what he wants; attention. He even says he's expecting a bunch of hate messages. Here's a little tip: If you expect your post to trigger hate messages, it's FLAME BAIT and has no place on TheShieldRap!Gals, settle down. #chillpill# Just because these opinions aren't popular with you doesn't make them flame bait. I know a lot of peeps loved Lem, but there was nothing personal written by these guys toward another member. If these guys had said "you are losers for crying over Lem" that would be different. It made perfect sense to me to have Lem killed. I'm not saying I liked it, in fact I hated it!, but it still makes sense in the context of the show, which, like it or not, is a morality play.
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 22, 2006 19:29:32 GMT -5
Whoa. This one slipped past me - this is WAY more flame-baitish than the other one I commented on. I'm almost hesitant to even reply to this one, because I feel that it will give blade exactly what he wants; attention. He even says he's expecting a bunch of hate messages. Here's a little tip: If you expect your post to trigger hate messages, it's FLAME BAIT and has no place on TheShieldRap!Gals, settle down. #chillpill# Just because these opinions aren't popular with you doesn't make them flame bait. I know a lot of peeps loved Lem, but there was nothing personal written by these guys toward another member. If these guys had said "you are losers for crying over Lem" that would be different. It made perfect sense to me to have Lem killed. I'm not saying I liked it, in fact I hated it!, but it still makes sense in the context of the show, which, like it or not, is a morality play. I actually toned my post down a hair before you posted this, chem. I really do appreciate other opinions, I was just extremely put off by the rudeness with which blade's opinion was conveyed. His post showed a complete lack of respect for my grief over losing this character, and it upset me. I'm sorry if I over-reacted or otherwise made an ass of myself.
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Post by qb on Mar 22, 2006 21:20:59 GMT -5
Gals, settle down. #chillpill# Just because these opinions aren't popular with you doesn't make them flame bait. I know a lot of peeps loved Lem, but there was nothing personal written by these guys toward another member. If these guys had said "you are losers for crying over Lem" that would be different. It made perfect sense to me to have Lem killed. I'm not saying I liked it, in fact I hated it!, but it still makes sense in the context of the show, which, like it or not, is a morality play. I actually toned my post down a hair before you posted this, chem. I really do appreciate other opinions, I was just extremely put off by the rudeness with which blade's opinion was conveyed. His post showed a complete lack of respect for my grief over losing this character, and it upset me. I'm sorry if I over-reacted or otherwise made an ass of myself. E, I still agree with ya! Blade didn't have to say it the way he did...which I thought was done to provoke us. (Saying "boo hoo" seemed intended to mock us) For some peeps, negative attention is better than no attention at all... BUT then maybe we did rush to judgment about Blade and he's really just an insensitive cad...ah, I mean lad.
I wouldn't censor Blade's post but I think we have a right to say we think it's shitty. An opinion is an opinion!
Damn it, Shawn Ryan, look what you've done!! You've upset all of the women here and at least some of the guys! WHY WHY WHY! If only Lem had been killed immediately... nope. Gotta torture him all the way to his last breath, with a little sandwich in his hand. Have we ever seen a popular, likeable series character so tortured, mentally & physically, and then murdered by his best friend? Shawn Ryan making more television history??
This is my first experience with this kind of thing anyway. HA-TED IT. But I still love The Shield and you know I'll be there come January 2007!! (in complete anticipation of Shawn making this up to us by killing Shane even more gruesomely and slowly!! I'll supply the tire if Vic supplies the match and Ronnie brings the gasoline)
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Post by blade on Mar 23, 2006 4:51:52 GMT -5
Well it's not that I didn't like Lem...He was a good guy and all, but I wish he was a little bit more loyal to the team. I think if it wasn't for Vic, Lem would have took down Shane and Ronnie. Him dieing made the show 100 times more enjoyable for me.
As for Ronnie....as I've stated before....I LOVE HIM! He's the quiet cool guy that is always loyal, never talks back, and does really important things without trying to get the credit. Plus he's the only one in the ST that never causes any trouble. He just helps out and that's why many of us like him.
If Ronnie died, then I would be writing angry bomb letters to the writers lol.
O and kingoffarmington...hahahaha u crack me up man. "YEAH! STOP HAVING OPINIONS THAT DIFFER FROM THE REST OF US!" That's classic.
btw, thx for the attention guys. I'm lovin it ;D
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 23, 2006 8:07:52 GMT -5
I think most of your posts are rude, blade. Your grammer and spelling really need some work, too. Boo Hoo.
I haven't forgotten the "who's your favorite character" poll you created that was insulting CCH Pounder and others. You are the reason our regular members cannot make polls anymore. We had to take that privilege away because you abused it for your own sick entertainment.
Members like you make my day, really. My week!! Thank you for posting this bullshit so I have an excuse to go off.
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Post by argonfritz on Mar 23, 2006 10:26:57 GMT -5
Yeah whats the deal? The name of the goddamn thread was "I never liked Lem anyway." If you love Lem, why even post here? If you are too sad to be faced with the opinion of someone who is happy about this turn of events, DONT READ THE POST. That little moderator interruption was bullshit, and if thats the way they run shit here, whats the point? The Shield is built on tension. It only makes sense that debates can get heated. How about the opinion nazi's give it a rest? I don't care if I am ejected for this comment. There are plenty of other shield message boards that don't have a den mother breathing down our necks.
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 23, 2006 10:36:08 GMT -5
Yeah whats the deal? The name of the goddamn thread was "I never liked Lem anyway." If you love Lem, why even post here? If you are too sad to be faced with the opinion of someone who is happy about this turn of events, DONT READ THE POST. That little moderator interruption was bullshit, and if thats the way they run shit here, whats the point? The Shield is built on tension. It only makes sense that debates can get heated. How about the opinion nazi's give it a rest? I don't care if I am ejected for this comment. There are plenty of other shield message boards that don't have a den mother breathing down our necks. If you have a problem with me, feel free to take it up the ladder to CC, our Senior Queen Bitch. Or even higher to chemikalman, our admin. I have an opinion and I can express it however and wherever I choose; same as you.
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Post by candylandgal on Mar 23, 2006 10:51:55 GMT -5
...and it had to be done.. shane was in the right.. lem was TO WEAK to keep it all a secret. I feel completely the opposite, and that's what I think takes a tragedy and ups the level of it until there is no rung higher... I think that of all of the members of The Strike Team, Kavenaugh had the wrong one from the start and was a fool for it. Every other member has a weak point even in seemingly tough exterior, Vic has family and the responsibility for The Strike Team, Shane has his family and an 'all for one until the heat is on' mentality, with the exception of Vic who has always been the most important person for him to protect after himself, but at the risk of Ronnie and Lem, I've always had the sense that Ronnie has the least emotional attachment to the whole 'brotherhood' of all of them and I believe would turn on a dime if intelligence couldn't get him out of a corner and a deal was offered that would save himself...or if simply removing himself from the situation because he'd been careful and the others was possible, he'd go for that, too... ...but I've always gotten the sense, underlined in scenes where Lem loses the word 'team' and exchanges it for 'family,' that he alone lived first for his boys---that he and anything else he had in life were a very distant second. Lem wouldn't have even done half of the stuff that he did if it didn't seem to be for the -good- of everyone else. He sacrificed himself and his need to see them all as good people again and again and failed to have the motives that everyone else had. He had one...for the Team. He didn't have to be sacrificed...he was more than willing to sacrifice himself because love of his family also came first. His family -was- The Strike Team. I think if Shane truly understood that about him, there would have been absolutely no reason for his action. I only wish that Lem had understood who Shane truly was in turn, because then I believe that he would have seen it coming as we all did. Innocence and un-ending belief in the friends that he thought believed in him was his only downfall. Add in the ultimate irony that what the cops had on Lem was part of the crap to save Shane last season...and I can't see Shane as anything but a monster right now.
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Post by argonfritz on Mar 23, 2006 10:52:18 GMT -5
I don't have a problem with anyone. I only take issue with the attempt to soften a controversial issue. I for one, don't even agree with this post. It is fascinating to me to hear people's opposing views, especially when they are just as passionite in their convictions as I am. I think this is the sort of exchange a show like "The Shield" invites.
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Post by qb on Mar 23, 2006 11:45:51 GMT -5
Yeah whats the deal? The name of the goddamn thread was "I never liked Lem anyway." If you love Lem, why even post here? If you are too sad to be faced with the opinion of someone who is happy about this turn of events, DONT READ THE POST. That little moderator interruption was bullshit, and if thats the way they run shit here, whats the point? The Shield is built on tension. It only makes sense that debates can get heated. How about the opinion nazi's give it a rest? I don't care if I am ejected for this comment. There are plenty of other shield message boards that don't have a den mother breathing down our necks. If you have a problem with me, feel free to take it up the ladder to CC, our Senior Queen Bitch. Or even higher to chemikalman, our admin. I have an opinion and I can express it however and wherever I choose; same as you. CHILL OUT ALREADY. An opinion is an opinion. Did anyone delete or edit a post against a member's will? No. It takes a lot for us to do that. One person posted, another commented, then someone else commented--all about likes and dislikes--all within the TSR Rules & Guidelines. That's exactly how it's supposed to work. Gets a little heated sometimes. E and I have argued (for example), passionately, a few times but do we take our ball & glove, call each other Nazis and storm home? No. We chill out, agree to disagree, apologize if we said something too bitchy, and move on. This is what adults do. Do I still love her?? You betcha!
Listen, if anyone wants to go to the FX Shield board mess, go. There you can have it at with childish rage and accusations and vulgarity to your heart's content--maybe you would enjoy that more? No one forces anyone to stay here. The rest of us will stick around and enjoy a very high quality fansite.
CC
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Post by styl3s on Mar 23, 2006 13:51:30 GMT -5
...and it had to be done.. shane was in the right.. lem was TO WEAK to keep it all a secret. I feel completely the opposite, and that's what I think takes a tragedy and ups the level of it until there is no rung higher... I think that of all of the members of The Strike Team, Kavenaugh had the wrong one from the start and was a fool for it. Every other member has a weak point even in seemingly tough exterior, Vic has family and the responsibility for The Strike Team, Shane has his family and an 'all for one until the heat is on' mentality, with the exception of Vic who has always been the most important person for him to protect after himself, but at the risk of Ronnie and Lem, I've always had the sense that Ronnie has the least emotional attachment to the whole 'brotherhood' of all of them and I believe would turn on a dime if intelligence couldn't get him out of a corner and a deal was offered that would save himself...or if simply removing himself from the situation because he'd been careful and the others was possible, he'd go for that, too... ...but I've always gotten the sense, underlined in scenes where Lem loses the word 'team' and exchanges it for 'family,' that he alone lived first for his boys---that he and anything else he had in life were a very distant second. Lem wouldn't have even done half of the stuff that he did if it didn't seem to be for the -good- of everyone else. He sacrificed himself and his need to see them all as good people again and again and failed to have the motives that everyone else had. He had one...for the Team. He didn't have to be sacrificed...he was more than willing to sacrifice himself because love of his family also came first. His family -was- The Strike Team. I think if Shane truly understood that about him, there would have been absolutely no reason for his action. I only wish that Lem had understood who Shane truly was in turn, because then I believe that he would have seen it coming as we all did. Innocence and un-ending belief in the friends that he thought believed in him was his only downfall. Add in the ultimate irony that what the cops had on Lem was part of the crap to save Shane last season...and I can't see Shane as anything but a monster right now. so how do you see vic? he shot a cop in the face. is he a monster as well? do you hate him as well?
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Post by blade on Mar 23, 2006 15:53:53 GMT -5
The bottom line was that Lem was too weak (my opinion) or too high moraled (others opinion). He got himself into shit that he isn't able to handle mentally. His conscience was too god damn loud. I think that if you start doing shady stuff, you should be prepared to face the consequences even if it means dieing. But man I gotta say out of all of them I am glad it was Lem. He was the broken leg that threatened to drown the team. Even though he tried to cut off the leg by going to jail, you can't swim with only one leg. To E: I don't really understand your problem with me. To be honest I never try to offend anyone or ruin anything with my posts. I still don't know what i did wrong with my poll last time. This is just the way people post in forums. I'm not used to being polite with forums because it's not like i'm going to meet any of you in real life. So here I can freely express myself without worrying about hurting peoples feelings. And that was a cheap shot with the grammar thing lol. O well, i guess that's why they call you a queenbitch haha. I guess free speech doesn't exist on this forum huh? Well sorry then, i'll try to tone it down...but my grammar will never change!!! muhaahahaha Actually, most forums have a section for flames. I think since the shield is such a controversial show, this forum should have one too. Flame sections are usually about anything but it's unmoderated so people can say wutever the hell they want. Of course there should be a warning on the title so people who don't want to see flame won't come in. It'll lessen the flames in regular threads for you guys who don't like it and it'll be fun for the people who do like it. well it's just a thought...it's up to u guys if you like the idea.
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