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Post by BenYankee on Jan 12, 2006 13:38:48 GMT -5
I hate to engage in idle speculation on The Shield because I think that it tends to ruin people's enjoyment of the show. Fans get too wrapped in what they think should happen and don't enjoy the show as much as they could. I think that happened in Season 4 quite a bit with members of other Shield message boards around the Internets.
That being said, I would like to offer up my opinion on something. If IAD is serious about bringing down Vic, I have to believe that they would be better off looking into the Armenian mob's targeting the Strike Team. No one was ever able to offer up an explanation for that really, and both Aceveda and Dutch were pretty close to picking up on the Strike Team's heist of the Money Train. At this point, I don't know if the MT should even make it back into the Shield, but I just can't help thinking that maybe IAD's investigating Terry is nothing more than a bunch of cops barking up a very tall tree, if not the wrong one to nail Vic with.
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Post by electroshockblues on Jan 12, 2006 14:03:58 GMT -5
Yes they were - Aceveda assumed that they were targeted because they had been causing trouble for the Armenian mob all week.
One thing that I didn't understand - why was Aceveda so reluctant to pursue Dutch's suspicions about Vic in 3x14 and 3x15? Why didn't he want to take the opportunity to get dirt on Vic? Especially after his "why don't you stop by an ATM?" line from the season opener, when Vic asked him for money for a buy-bust. I suppose Aceveda could have decided to give Vic a break after Vic gave him the interrogation room tape of him beating a suspect, but I'm not sure.
The money that Vic gave Corrine in S4 was his remaining Money Train cash - that money has to come back somehow. Plus, Armin Troikien (the Armenian advance man that Shane and Lem were insurance witnesses for) could still cause trouble. If he knew that the Armenians targeted the ST he could put that together with the fact that he bumped into Shane and Lem on the day of the Money Train and maybe get suspicious.
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Post by jwc53531 on Jan 12, 2006 20:31:17 GMT -5
I hate to engage in idle speculation on The Shield because I think that it tends to ruin people's enjoyment of the show. aw, c'mon. VLM, that's the best thing about the board, ha ha - but that is a really good question look at Dutch - in 1x1 and 1x2 he at least got an inkling that not all was kosher with Terry's death and in 2x13 he was left at the MT scene, hands on hips, wondering what was up - the ST did an okay job of covering their tracks (especially with Lem burning most of the evidence) but there are a few loose threads running around - and is such an integral part of the show - it basically consumed all of S2 and S3 so you'd think the writers would somehow bring it up again having said that though, the Terry murder will bookend the show I imagine and it's the one thing where there is some doubt about Vic's non-involvement so that will likely provide the entrance point for IAD and speaking of all that - what about Aceveda and Juan's death - if Vic was able to make a connection, you'd have to think Kavanaugh would eventually find it too if he's seeking leverage against Aceveda
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Post by tylerdurden on Jan 13, 2006 15:04:25 GMT -5
theyre tryin to get the strike team anyway they can, of course the money train will come up too, and i agree that is a lot easier way to get to them, the whole terry thing isnt gonna lead anywhere i dont think, except for maybe some trouble within the strike team
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Post by sphinx on Jan 16, 2006 21:28:32 GMT -5
One thing that I didn't understand - why was Aceveda so reluctant to pursue Dutch's suspicions about Vic in 3x14 and 3x15? Why didn't he want to take the opportunity to get dirt on Vic? Especially after his "why don't you stop by an ATM?" line from the season opener, when Vic asked him for money for a buy-bust. I suppose Aceveda could have decided to give Vic a break after Vic gave him the interrogation room tape of him beating a suspect, but I'm not sure. For the same reason he told Dutch - Vic had been told him about Meghan's autism and begged for every last minute of overtime he could get his hands on. "This is not a guy who's flush with cash."
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Post by BenYankee on Jan 17, 2006 11:26:52 GMT -5
That's so naive of David though. Of course if they had just ripped off the Armenian mob and found out the money was marked, Vic's smarter than that to spend it.
In reviewing season 3, I did finally understand why the real estate deal never went through. In the same episode in which Lem burned the cash, Vic mentioned that they were going to go through with that deal soon.
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Post by sphinx on Jan 17, 2006 12:26:23 GMT -5
That's so naive of David though. Of course if they had just ripped off the Armenian mob and found out the money was marked, Vic's smarter than that to spend it. That was Dutch's response, and considering this it would have been naive of David to ignore it, but he did spend an entire day looking into it aggressively and came up with dead ends. In reviewing season 3, I did finally understand why the real estate deal never went through. In the same episode in which Lem burned the cash, Vic mentioned that they were going to go through with that deal soon. While looking into Vic's involvement, Aceveda had the AGC boss spread the word on the street that any money launderer who gives up the money train robbers was looking at a free pass. Vic's real estate guy heard the rumor and met him at a diner to say he'd have to delay the deal because of some new heat out there over the Armenian mob getting ripped off, Vic assumed he was wearing a wire and just left. They didn't have a chance to find a new laundromat before Lem snapped.
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