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Post by fju2112 on Mar 17, 2005 9:47:37 GMT -5
hi all - link to this board got posted on the FXnetwork.com board. The format of that board is way more difficult than it needs to be, and many messages come up blank when you try to post them now (not sure what that's about).
Anyway, I liked the season opener. You know, in season 2, i didn't think they'd be able to top season 1 - but the storylines were solid AND the show flowed very very well from week to week. I think season 3 lost the flow and tried to squeeze too many mini-storylines in, but overall, watching the dvds in the few days before season 4/ep 1, i really liked season 3 as a whole, as much as I did season 2! I think this season will be more of the same - they'll need to show Shane often but balance that w/ the rest of the storyline, and the flow may not be as good as season 2, but i still think they're headed for some great things this season.
things i'd like to see them explore this season:
Vic/Rowling relationship - teh writers have siad it will be more a cautious partnership instead of a tumultuous relationship like w/ Aceveda
Julien - will he be on the task force? how will they reconcile his homosexual thoughts w/ his family - or did they already do that when he almost broke the bed last season?
Danny - i think she should become a detective this season; they can't keep her at P3 forever, no matter how good she looks in that uniform...
Remaining money train issues - ok, the money's burnt and they spent a whole season last year leading up to that - but there's still $65K a piece these guys have put away.
Shane/Vic - not sure where they'll take this, but supposedly, episode 2, 3, or 4, will have a storyline of Shane breaking in a new partenr. I'm sure he'll be doing it the Vic Mackey way and start to think about what he lost by leaving the team. Vic will slowly regain control of the streets and grow in power again, and maybe Shane and Vic have some run-ins working the same Ci's and witnesses.
Just bouncing some ideas around...
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Post by qb on Mar 17, 2005 14:25:02 GMT -5
Fju....very cool to have you here! I read your post only because I am dying of curiosity... I STILL haven't seen the first ep and it's making me crazy. Hopefully, my friend's taped copy will arrive tomorrow and I can participate in this conversation. Anyway, welcome!!
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 17, 2005 14:34:51 GMT -5
hi all - link to this board got posted on the FXnetwork.com board. The format of that board is way more difficult than it needs to be, and many messages come up blank when you try to post them now (not sure what that's about). Wow! Cool, someone came over after seeing my attempted post to the FX board! After numerous attempts I just said hell with it and put the URL in the subject field. Now I'm glad I did! Hey, thanks fju, a really good post. If you know any others on the FX board who might be interested in this site, esp. those who post at your level, pls. tell them we'd love to have them, too.
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 17, 2005 19:38:51 GMT -5
my level - lol - I"m a freak about the show and I can't help it is what you mean I generally enjoy quality and not quantity, so when a great show with great actors comes along like The Shield, Nip/Tuck etc, I have to take notice! I only dislike having to wait 7 days in between episodes now! I'll certainly try to spread the word around the fx boards.
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Post by leadinvestigator on Mar 17, 2005 19:52:44 GMT -5
Hey!! Another immigrant from the Fix! The new space looks good. I am sure some of the others will catch up to us soon and I look forward to breaking down the new season action with everybody!
Having the show back gives renewed meaning to Tuesdays, doesn't it?? Tuesdays are my favorite day of the week again. And, accordingly, I hate Wednesdays right now!
Sure makes Monday a lot more bearable!
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 17, 2005 22:08:35 GMT -5
my level - lol - I"m a freak about the show and I can't help it is what you mean I generally enjoy quality and not quantity, so when a great show with great actors comes along like The Shield, Nip/Tuck etc, I have to take notice! I only dislike having to wait 7 days in between episodes now! I'll certainly try to spread the word around the fx boards. That was definitely meant as a compliment, fju!
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 18, 2005 10:40:38 GMT -5
of course; thank you I also posted another thread w/ the subject line as the link to this site, as well as a post regarding the site and how much more user friendly it is. This seems to be the place to seriously discuss the show. On the FXnetwork board, you have to live within the flash environment that's created for you; i think HTML is much much better due to functionality. T minus four days..
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Post by qb on Mar 18, 2005 11:00:30 GMT -5
Oh, I agree, Fju! I've been to sites for other shows and some are so cluttered you can barely find a thread that interests you. Chem wants to keep it all about the basics... as Vic would say!
I am going to think about other places to mention our new location... if you think of any others, let us know!
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 18, 2005 11:04:10 GMT -5
chik - I'm not registered, but try TheShieldFans.com? I think that's another fansite, but haven't been there.
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Post by qb on Mar 18, 2005 21:06:33 GMT -5
AHA!! I *FINALLY* got to see season opener...yeah!! (I promise I won't miss it again...vcr is at the ready now) Impressions: wow! I like it! Something feels very different about it... what?? I can't put my finger on it. ...feels less like "Hill Street Blues" this time...sleek, honed, more like... a feature film?? Would that be a coincidence now that TS features a feature film actress? Maybe! And I like the chemistry between Glenn/Michael *and* Rawlings/Mackey. While we don't know how the latter relationship will go yet, they're a good fit... I think she's up to manipulating him as much or more than he can manipulate her! God bless Acevada, I am glad to see him go... his character just wasn't as engaging/complex as it needed and tried to be. And Shane!! My god! Has he gone full-blown to the dark side?? It seems too obvious, and the writers never go for what "the truth appears to be." So I don't buy it. I don't see a shoot out with Vic, though that would be a mind-blower. It's too obvious, darn it. I am more inclined to see Shane coming back to Vic...with a lovely kiss-and-make-up scene. Ok, that's my impression after one viewing. OH wait!! Did you hear Rawlings' remark about her "friend at Mission Cross Hospital" (a she).... I am betting that's her girlfriend!! Woo woo!
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Post by BarnOwl on Mar 18, 2005 23:27:58 GMT -5
I think I got the 4th season all figured out. It appears Shane is freelancing without Vic's brains to rein him in. Shane is heading for disaster, as he has numerous times in the past when left on his own. Vic's concern is how Shane will deal with getting caught, which he no doubt will because Shane ain't got two brain cells to rub together. One time Vic left Shane in charge and Shane started selling drugs. Another time he nearly killed Tavon. Once caught, will Shane turn in the rest of the ST to prosecutors to cut a deal for himself? Why not? He ended badly with Vic, and Lem burned the cash. So why wouldn't Shane cut a deal with prosecutors to cut his prison sentence? Shane can hand prosecutors a cop killer; Vic. Vic will have to eliminate Shane on his own, because Ron and Lem would never go along with this. Maybe Vic whacking out Shane will be the season finale? Less obvious is Dutch's breakdown. Whenever questioning perpetrators, the perps always seem to hit Dutch's nerves when they call him a loser. Dutch is into psychological profiling and was fascinated by the Cuddler's interview. It lead Dutch to strangle a cat. Dutch wants to find out as much about himself probably more than about the people he's locking up. Remember the lost laptop from season 3? Dutch had kiddy porn on it he wanted to delete. Now when this kid from episode 1 went missing, Dutch automatically asssumed his parents sold him into the sex trade. Claudette responded "That's how Dutch thinks". In season 1 Dutch was stalking Danny, and spied on her to learn she was having an affair with Vic. Dutch is out there. So season 4 may be heading to Shane's murder at Vic's hands, and Dutch turning into a stalking, maniacal murdering molester.
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 19, 2005 0:20:58 GMT -5
I think I got the 4th season all figured out. It appears Shane is freelancing without Vic's brains to rein him in. Shane is heading for disaster, as he has numerous times in the past when left on his own. Vic's concern is how Shane will deal with getting caught, which he no doubt will because Shane ain't got two brain cells to rub together. One time Vic left Shane in charge and Shane started selling drugs. Another time he nearly killed Tavon. Once caught, will Shane turn in the rest of the ST to prosecutors to cut a deal for himself? Why not? He ended badly with Vic, and Lem burned the cash. So why wouldn't Shane cut a deal with prosecutors to cut his prison sentence? Shane can hand prosecutors a cop killer; Vic. Vic will have to eliminate Shane on his own, because Ron and Lem would never go along with this. Maybe Vic whacking out Shane will be the season finale? Hey Barn - nice ideas. I don't know if they would work on the show though...I'm not so sure Shane is freelancing; I think he's just using the skills Vic taught him...when they meet in Ep.1, Shane just treats it as no big deal that he's taking Deadeye's blackberry. Definitely something Vic would have done, but now Shane is on the other side of it and Vic is the guy who needs things to go down legitimately in order to bag Antwan...so there's some role reversal there. Plus, even if Shane got caught doing something illegal, there's no one to coroborate Shane's story of killing Terry - you might get Aceveda involved but all he had were suspicions; Shane backed up against a wall babbling about how Terry was killed by Vic would sound desperate. As for the money train, there's no evidence and there's no way Ronnie or Lem would go along with it. Shane's going to admit he was involved the whole time and said nothing about it until he got into trouble? Even if Mara said she saw the money in the storage locker, who would believe her; and what if Vic tries to get Tevon back into the picture to tell his story and damage Shane's credibility? I just watched Ep.1 again, it just aired on FX...made a LOT more sense seeing it the second time around, esp. the confrontation between Shane and Vic at the end. I just hate how Ronnie always gets left out...I like him, but Vic said "watch the door" as soon as he realized there was something strange about Shane being there alone, etc.
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Post by qb on Mar 19, 2005 0:40:34 GMT -5
WOW, BarnOwl... that's quite a post! I really like the way you are examining these things.
Do you think Vic also cares about Shane? Didn't they kind of have a love between them as friends? Seeing them together in that dark room was very spooky. Shane had become a southern cracker caricature...a frustrated, love-struck goof...last year. I didn't like it. I really like the Shane who appeared out of nowhere, literally and figuratively, in ep one! Demonic! Woo!
And Dutch...he is probably the most unpredictable. So much foreshadowing but where will they take us? There will be some serious acting workouts this season!
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Post by SHAKA on Mar 19, 2005 15:59:00 GMT -5
I definitely agree that Vic and Shane had a deep friendship.
Do you remember the time Vic got shot, and Shane was going to rape that lady to find out some information. Then when Shane visited Vic in the hospital room, they talked about how they would retire and play golf together. That scene (plus the one where Vic covered up his bullet wound before surgery to see his kids) almost brought a tear to my eye.
Its strange to see how that friendship is gone awry. It seems (like everyone else says) that Vic is getting back in line while Shane is being dirty again. So we'll just have to wait and see how this goes.
On a side note.... Man this msg board is awesome. Here in canada, we are a season behind so I don't ever go to the msg boards (cuz everyone on the boards is a season ahead). but now that I have FX, its so awesome to talk to ppl on these boards about the episodes as they get aired. WHOOHOOO!
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Post by leadinvestigator on Mar 19, 2005 20:03:48 GMT -5
Wasn't FX available in Canada before? Or you just got it yourself by cable or satellite? If FX wasn't available before, who was running The Shield later?
I hope something more interesting will happen with Julien and Danny. But then it's only the first episode, so their part of the story will probably pick up as we go. I hate to see them, especially Danny, just standing around in uniforms, handling piss ant domestic calls and drive-bys. Maybe Danny will graduate up to a member of Vic's new gang team?!
One thing I am not clear on. What is the difference between Rawlin's new gang team and Vic's old strike team? Other than one is gone and one is yet to be formed, of course.
Also, didn't Alena, the witness at the motel, say she saw two hispanic men running away with the child after drowning the family? I thought only one of those guys knew the boy hadn't been drowned with the others, because the other guy couldn't do it. How can that be if they both took the child? I didn't get that. Maybe I missed something about more than two killers?
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Post by SHAKA on Mar 19, 2005 20:34:09 GMT -5
In canada, The Shield is shown a season back on Global which is a basic channel that most people have. But now, that I got satellite, I get more channels including FX.
And to answer ur question, I think they took the child on the intent of killing him later, and not with the family. This doesn't really make much sense, but I suppose thats the justification for removing the kid from the motel.
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 21, 2005 8:53:18 GMT -5
since i've seen the episode three times now... the guy who blabbed to Dutch & Claudette said that he took the kid with the intent of killing him later...so the two criminals left the scene together, then later he stashed the kid somewhere else. the "bad guy" of the two was under the impression the kid would be killed later on. anti-gang vs. strike team - no different; but Rowling did say she wants unis and detectives on the force, so it might not be as tight as the strike team and they may go back to their little strike-team clique if lem comes back. isn't the upcoming episode about shane and his new partner; thought that's what i read somewhere? should be good.
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Post by BarnOwl on Apr 17, 2005 11:00:50 GMT -5
I think my initial ideas about Shane and Dutch are panning out.
Vic is now concerned about Shane getting taken down by Internal Affairs, and possibly selling out the rest of the Strike Team to cut a deal for himself with prosecutors. Ronnie and Lem are worried too now.
Less obvious is Dutch's unravelling mental state. We see Aceveda's, who is working out his issues with a hooker. But Dutch is a less obvious case.
Did you catch that little line when Dutch and Claudette were working the murdered wife/step-mother case, when Claudette mentioned past incident with an 80 year-old woman who was killed by two crackheads trying to steal her bird bath? She fought back and was killed?
Dutch's line was "Well, sometimes all you're looking for is a good fight," which made Claudette do a double take.
We see where the Stike Team may be heading this year, I think David will be fine by season's end, but the big kicker for this season's finale I think will be DUTCH.
Sincerely, The Wise Old Barn Owl
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Post by BarnOwl on Apr 17, 2005 11:03:22 GMT -5
I think my initial ideas about Shane and Dutch are panning out.
Vic is now concerned about Shane getting taken down by Internal Affairs, and possibly selling out the rest of the Strike Team to cut a deal for himself with prosecutors. Ronnie and Lem are worried too now.
Less obvious is Dutch's unravelling mental state. We see Aceveda's, who is working out his issues with a hooker. But Dutch is a less obvious case.
Did you catch that little line when Dutch and Claudette were working the murdered wife/step-mother case, when Claudette mentioned past incident with an 80 year-old woman who was killed by two crackheads trying to steal her bird bath? She fought back and was killed?
Dutch's line was "Well, sometimes all you're looking for is a good fight," which made Claudette do a double take.
We see where the Stike Team may be heading this year, I think David will be fine by season's end, but the big kicker for this season's finale I think will be DUTCH.
Sincerely, The Wise Old Barn Owl
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Post by thekyoteh on Apr 17, 2005 11:17:19 GMT -5
We see where the Stike Team may be heading this year, I think David will be fine by season's end, but the big kicker for this season's finale I think will be DUTCH. I'm thinking we're going to have a bit of a wait to truly see what Dutchie is about! Seems like each season we get a little clue here and there of what lurks inside of Dutch but I think they'll make us wait a bit longer to really see it all emerge. Ky
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