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Post by fudge20dip on Nov 7, 2008 9:57:40 GMT -5
I have had some thoughts about Ronnie ever since season 5 when Kavanaugh sat him down and interrogated him. By the end of that interrogation you realize 5 seasons had passed and you don't really know much about Ronnie. You get the feeling that he has loyalty to his friends, but if he was put under the ringer he would scarifice the whole team to save himself. The only upside from Lem dying besides Walton Googins superior acting talents and seeing Vic surpass a level of corruption we never seen before was hope that we would get to know more about Ronnie. Season 6 they devoted one episode to him and season 7 he has had time to shine. My only complaint is that while he was the leader of the strike team, it never felt like he really was the leader. It seem like Vic was still running it. What do you guys think?
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Post by n00b on Nov 7, 2008 11:58:05 GMT -5
We'll know everything we need to know about Ronnie by the end of the final episode.
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Post by Strike Team 4 Life on Nov 7, 2008 15:15:11 GMT -5
We'll know everything we need to know about Ronnie by the end of the final episode. Well said, but I think Ronnie knew Vic was still running the show for the most part. Ronnie has been loyal to Vic. I feel like Vic has been loyal to Ronnie in return.
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Post by spudder on Nov 8, 2008 23:11:50 GMT -5
Hoping to see Ronnie get his third kill in before the end of the series.
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Post by bnyrabbit on Nov 25, 2008 18:13:29 GMT -5
Ronnie has always seemed somewhat cold and angry to me, even when we didn't know much about him. I liked him, for the most part, until this season, when I haven't been his biggest fan.
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Post by tigerlily on Nov 25, 2008 19:24:08 GMT -5
Hoping to see Ronnie get his third kill in before the end of the series. Who else did he kill? I know he killed Zadofian, but who else?
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Post by candyman on Nov 26, 2008 1:31:32 GMT -5
Ronnie was a very boring character from beginning to end.
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Post by jophus on Nov 26, 2008 2:01:13 GMT -5
Ronnie was a very boring character from beginning to end. You're crazy.
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Post by fudge20dip on Nov 26, 2008 7:34:58 GMT -5
I have to agree, you are crazy. The first episode of this season when he shot the Armenian guy that was just intense because it was so cold. He was more of the voice of reason for the team more so then anybody else.
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Post by Bad_Ass_Cop on Nov 26, 2008 10:44:33 GMT -5
3 years of the strike team committing crimes and they have never been able to catch them. When Vic made the deal for his immunity, there was nothing said about him testifying against Ronnie. so in 3 years all they have is 1 wittness (vic) who would probably be considered a hostile wittness. thats all the evidence they have against Ronnie or they would have made an arrest earlier. I'd be willing to bet Vic would "forget" alot about Ronnies involvement. All we heard him say was was "me and my guy's" Not once did he impliment Ronnie for any specific crime.
Something for maybe for the movie, if they make one.
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Post by spudder on Nov 26, 2008 10:59:58 GMT -5
Hoping to see Ronnie get his third kill in before the end of the series. Who else did he kill? I know he killed Zadofian, but who else? Ronnie killed that Russian back in Season 4, the one sitting in the chair that exploded after Ronnie wired it up. Btw, that episode was a lot funnier if you understood the Russian conversations going on.
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Post by fudge20dip on Nov 26, 2008 11:11:02 GMT -5
If Moses, the leader of the one niners ever had gotten locked up before Vic made his deal, he could have taken down Vic, Ronnie, and Shane with him.
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Post by toyoda on Nov 26, 2008 13:49:13 GMT -5
3 years of the strike team committing crimes and they have never been able to catch them. When Vic made the deal for his immunity, there was nothing said about him testifying against Ronnie. so in 3 years all they have is 1 wittness (vic) who would probably be considered a hostile wittness. thats all the evidence they have against Ronnie or they would have made an arrest earlier. I'd be willing to bet Vic would "forget" alot about Ronnies involvement. All we heard him say was was "me and my guy's" Not once did he impliment Ronnie for any specific crime. Something for maybe for the movie, if they make one. I think Vic's taped confession is all they would need. Sure Ronnie's lawyers will fight hard against admitting it. But I doubt would be required to testify further to coroborate it further. And, even if he did have to take the stand, if he refused to do so ICE could just say "you're not cooperating, we're arresting you also. Face it. Ronnie is toast. And I really don't understand all this heartache about Ronnie either. I mean, sure he got "screwed" by Vic and in a way that sucks. Everyone frets that "Ronnie was the loyal one" as if somehow that is/was a positive character trait. Loook at who he was loyal to? Ronnie is the perfect example of why one must be careful NOT to be too friendly or loyal to evil people. You will get burned. A lot of people throughout history were loyal to Al Capone, Adolf Hitler, and Saddam Hussein. We don't view their downfall as "tragic" so why should Ronnie's be tragic? Ronnie got what he deserved.
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Post by sonofkinski on Nov 26, 2008 14:03:09 GMT -5
And I really don't understand all this heartache about Ronnie either. I mean, sure he got "screwed" by Vic and in a way that sucks. Everyone frets that "Ronnie was the loyal one" as if somehow that is/was a positive character trait. Loook at who he was loyal to? Ronnie is the perfect example of why one must be careful NOT to be too friendly or loyal to evil people. You will get burned. A lot of people throughout history were loyal to Al Capone, Adolf Hitler, and Saddam Hussein. We don't view their downfall as "tragic" so why should Ronnie's be tragic? Ronnie got what he deserved. Couldn't agree more, toyoda. Well said -- thank you.
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Post by Lemonhead on Nov 26, 2008 16:31:05 GMT -5
I don't agree. While Ronnie is certainly not a good guy in a sense, he definitely didn't deserve the brunt of Vic's misdeeds thrust upon him and him alone in a truly heinous act of betrayal. That scene was seriously heartbreaking.
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Post by sonofkinski on Nov 26, 2008 16:42:07 GMT -5
Vic's misdeeds are Ronnie's misdeeds, too.
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Post by Lemonhead on Nov 26, 2008 16:49:39 GMT -5
Not really. Ronnie was guilty by association on much of Vic's crimes; not fully guilty of everything himself. I agree that he, too, deserved to pay some sort of price, but when you stack the weight of the situation against Vic's cubicle hell and the nauseating betrayal thrust upon him, his actions seem featherweight by comparison.
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Post by sonofkinski on Nov 26, 2008 17:02:03 GMT -5
I agree with you in every respect but legality. Ronnie's a thief, a murderer, and an accessory to a TON of murders. Whether any of that actually sticks in court is one thing, but just because he didn't think it up doesn't mean that he wasn't there doing it. And as much as I -- and probably most of us -- have liked the guy and his increasing role over the years, he deserves to pay for it.
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