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Post by sparkle50 on Oct 23, 2008 9:24:43 GMT -5
Great episode last night! The show seems to be gettin better each week.
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Post by shibby on Oct 23, 2008 14:23:56 GMT -5
That ep last night was great -- best one yet. Jax snuffed out the Dutch Man!! Woooot! I had a feeling he'd be back at some point, but not so soon..... Tara and Jax banging away with the body still in the room?! Wow, Kurt is one twisted freak! YAY! lol "Jax Teller won't wait till you're cold to f*ck the woman you loved!" This show is epic! I love it! I need: 1 - one of them jackets 2 - This show on DVD like yesterday! 3 - This to air int he UK so I can watch it with my friends 4 - One of those baby SOA hats for the kids Also, Jay Karnes has been working out!
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Post by n00b on Oct 23, 2008 15:13:12 GMT -5
Noob, that banner is seriously out of this world. I can't help but chuckle at that one...comparing Vic and Shane to the Sith is priceless. But what about Darth Gardocki? Clearly, strong ties to the dark side that one has. And where does that leave Lem? Dead obviously...but still...if he were in the SW universe I'd like to think of him as a conflicted Jedi....or a Wookie. Nah...Wookies are too hairy. I really have to stop talking like this. Anyway, good work on the banner. Thanks jaded. I had to change it after my leave of absence. But I'll have Darth Mackey and Darth Vendrell back up soon In the meantime, check out this emoticon action for your Star Wars fix ....
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Post by n00b on Oct 23, 2008 15:34:24 GMT -5
^ gotta agree with cuffs here. The show had a good episode a the week before, but this latest one kinda fell flat for me. I mean, THAT'S IT for the whole Jay Karnes ATF agent storyline? Maybe he'll make another appearance, but even if he does it would be more akin to the killer coming back from the dead in a bad horror movie. Dude has lost his federal credentials and is being shipped back to Chicago in cuffs headed for prison. If he comes back, it would be weak writing. They need to really step it up over the last half of their first season. No more dud episodes. OK, so last night's ep. was entertaining, but I'm going to stand by what I said last week (quoted above), and here's why ... 1. Jay Karnes coming back, especially so soon, was weak, IMHO. Sure it was exciting/surprising at first. But please explain to me how he did it? He was led away in handcuffs bound for a day of reckoning back home in Chicago ... and then he just SHOWS UP at what's-her-name's house? A bit too far for my imagination to leap, thank you. 2. Jax killing Karnes' character, while viscerally pleasing, left me a bit let down. Let's compare this to Vic killing Terry Crowley in TS Pilot (a tough comparison, to be sure, but hey, Kurt Sutter was part of TS and he knows the legacy he has to live up to). Vic, in cold blood, purely for self-interest, guns down a cop whose worst "crime" was that he was going to try to bring a crooked cop to justice. Jax shoots Karnes' character ONLY after his pathetic wimpy cries of "whore" and "bitch" get the best of him and he simply must make this maniac shut the f*ck up for good. This is a nutjob who just tried to rape the woman you secretly love and he's sitting there, bleeding out, and screaming profanities about your secret love, who is lying in a pool of emotional ruin and naked fear. I mean, who here would NOT have shot Karnes' character in those exact same circumstances? On the other hand, who here WOULD have shot Terry Crowley under those circumstances? I am obviously jaded by the superiority of The Shield to all other TV, but honestly, as visceral as that gunshot to the head was, it doesn't have the same lasting impact on me as Vic shooting Terry. Would have been MUCH better and and "darker" (more "Shieldian" if you will) if Karnes' character had been begging for his life, as he did moments earlier when the girl had the gun, and Jax capped him anyway. 3. Didn't really understand the necrophiliac biker guy's problem with Jax and him not having the balls to kill someone. I mean even the plot seems to go along with this myth that Jax won't draw blood, thus building up the "will he or wont' he" tension in the room with Karnes' character. The unspoken point of Jax killing the rapist is that he has finally popped his killing cherry or something. But, if my memory is correct, Jax offed a few Mayans during the warehouse torch job in one of the first few episodes. Sure it was more of a self-defense move, but he HAS killed before. Self-defense or not (and it's surely not for legal reasons I won't go into here), those shootings were done while commiting other capital crimes (armed robbery, arson), which in Texas (albeit not in shiny happy California) would bring the DEATH PENALTY.
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Post by shibby on Oct 23, 2008 16:52:57 GMT -5
Something I just noticed.. What is, sorry was ATF man's name anyways? On IMDB it says Scott Khon but I'm sure Tara called him Josh? I asked mr Shibby but he was too busy staring at the nearly naked Tara
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Post by -|E|- on Oct 23, 2008 16:54:10 GMT -5
"Jax Teller won't wait till you're cold to f*ck the woman you loved!" LMAO!! This show has been on a slow burn. I wasn't gung-ho on the pilot ep, but last night's ep sealed it for me. It's not like The Shield, where I was hooked during the opening montage of Aceveda's speech and the Strike Team chasing down their perp. I love Kurt, and my opinion of his work is completely tainted by that.
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Post by bickle on Oct 23, 2008 17:23:08 GMT -5
Another fantastic episode. Jax is not Vic Mackey. They are two completely different characters. If anything, Jax is closer in character to Lem (being the moral centre of the SOA) or Ronnie (smart but a bit of a dark horse with some anger issues!)
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Post by n00b on Oct 23, 2008 17:32:43 GMT -5
^ good comparisons, bickle.
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Post by bachatan on Oct 23, 2008 19:05:45 GMT -5
noob i think jax was gonna kill him all along, thats what he was trying to tell mara in a way lettin her know he was gonna get just a few years for assault, then she said no this cant happen some shit like that, then like u said he let jay karnes get to him,
i still believe though the show will get better next year when sutter can focus only on soa and i think interestin things will happen if big otto gets out
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Post by tigerlily on Oct 23, 2008 22:41:53 GMT -5
If I was Tara I would have killed the ATF guy myself and then call Jax to help me dispose of the body, but that is just me.....lol. I did think it was in poor taste to be banging away while Dutch laid there dead. Gemma does not mess around. My favorite line" Bad things happen to greedy whores." This show keeps getting better and better. I am glad that FX picked it up for a second season.
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Post by F*ckernando on Oct 24, 2008 0:38:01 GMT -5
just watched the EP and IT ROOOOOOOOOCKED!!! yea...
beautiful.....jay's PSYCHO side roocked too!!...outstandin' episode!!! yea....keep on rockin SOA!!!!!
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Post by shibby on Oct 24, 2008 8:07:07 GMT -5
LMAO!! This show has been on a slow burn. I wasn't gung-ho on the pilot ep, but last night's ep sealed it for me. It's not like The Shield, where I was hooked during the opening montage of Aceveda's speech and the Strike Team chasing down their perp. I love Kurt, and my opinion of his work is completely tainted by that. I love Kurt too (not as much as you! ) I think he's great and putting Jay Karnes in for a guest stint pulled me into the show as a Shield fan, hopefully we will see one or two more peeps from the barn turn up in charming
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Post by Inside Man on Oct 24, 2008 14:27:01 GMT -5
Comcast sucks for not having FXHD in my area, but I appreciate that their OnDemand offerings of SoA are in HD. It's a much better viewing experience.
I watched "The Pull" this morning. Did anyone else notice the similarities between this episode and "Parracide?"
Both Co-Written by Kurt Sutter.
Both feature a synchronized double assassination that's unsuccessful.
Both directed by Guy Ferland.
I'm relieved Dutch lived through "Parracide!"
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Post by -|E|- on Oct 24, 2008 15:10:03 GMT -5
^ HA! Awesome post.... I <3 Kurt.
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Post by F*ckernando on Oct 24, 2008 15:10:54 GMT -5
o shit...those coincidences yea...
nice nice nice nice nice nice catch¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
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Post by Inside Man on Oct 24, 2008 15:40:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I dig Kurt too. What's crazy is that these were probably filmed months and months apart.
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Post by jwc53531 on Oct 26, 2008 15:24:17 GMT -5
huge article on SoA in Sunday's LA Times - some interesting tidbits:
none of the actors actually own a motorcycle (including Kurt Sutter) - Ron Perlman and Charlie Hunnam can barely ride at all
the Charming set is in the Hollywood Hills above LA
40% of the audience is women
tattoos were designed by famous San Franciso tattoo dude Freddy Corbin and are applied daily before shooting
feedback from real gangs has, according to Sutter, been "generally positive" - whatever that means, ha ha
as everyone knows, the show is based on Hamlet with Jax as Hamlet and Sutter choose Hunnam based on his performance in Green Street Hooligans
Ron Perlman was the second choice for the role of Clay - Scott Glen was the first Clay and appears in the first version of the pilot (hello, dvd)
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Post by badcop187 on Oct 26, 2008 18:52:35 GMT -5
Imdb has nothing on Scott Glen, who is he? and why did they not keep him after the original pilot?
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Post by jwc53531 on Oct 26, 2008 20:12:04 GMT -5
well, it would have helped if I would have spelled his name correctly: Scott Glenn www.imdb.com/find?s=nm&q=scott+glenn&x=19&y=7probably most famous for the role of Colby in Apocalypse Now that almost completely ended up on the cutting room floor, also big parts in Silence of the Lambs and Crimson Tide
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Post by badcop187 on Oct 26, 2008 20:16:41 GMT -5
Oh yeah, the hunt for red october and training day! I think he would have been awesome. Did they say why he wasn't on for the entire series? I think he would have been better than pearlman.
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