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Post by acc on Mar 15, 2008 4:04:43 GMT -5
I have noticed in my analysis of The Shield that the season finales directly contradict the previous finale in one way or another, especially with regards to the "central story" of Vic.
Season 1 finale: Vic loses his family, breaks down, seems somewhat broken
Season 2 finale: Vic gets a ton of money with his fellow Strike Team members... too good to be true? (Yes.)
Season 3 finale: Vic and his Strike Team lose the money, lose their friendships and lose the team
Season 4 finale: Back on top, in action, having fun but Lem seems to be in IAD's crosshairs, doesn't he?
Season 5 finale: Lem is murdered by the guy he was playing around with in the Season 4 finale, Shane. Vic vows vengeance. Bleak as hell.
Season 6 finale: Vic saves himself from professional execution, so it seems. Has a trunkload of goodies he can use for his advantage. Seems poised to take down a huge chunk of the Mexican Mafia and Cruz Pezuela. Determined to crush Shane.
Hmm, judging by this, I'd say Season 7's finale will be, yes, rather bleak and sad and ugly for Vic. Death? Forced out of the LAPD? Arrested? Forced into exile? (I think he'll have to try to leave the country and be a fugitive like his dramatic antecedent, Gilroy.)
I'm sure this has all been covered before a billion times but I'm bored, I can't get to sleep and I just figured this board could use a new topic.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 15, 2008 13:54:35 GMT -5
I have noticed in my analysis of The Shield that the season finales directly contradict the previous finale in one way or another, especially with regards to the "central story" of Vic. Season 1 finale: Vic loses his family, breaks down, seems somewhat broken Season 2 finale: Vic gets a ton of money with his fellow Strike Team members... too good to be true? (Yes.) Season 3 finale: Vic and his Strike Team lose the money, lose their friendships and lose the team Season 4 finale: Back on top, in action, having fun but Lem seems to be in IAD's crosshairs, doesn't he? Season 5 finale: Lem is murdered by the guy he was playing around with in the Season 4 finale, Shane. Vic vows vengeance. Bleak as hell. Season 6 finale: Vic saves himself from professional execution, so it seems. Has a trunkload of goodies he can use for his advantage. Seems poised to take down a huge chunk of the Mexican Mafia and Cruz Pezuela. Determined to crush Shane. Hmm, judging by this, I'd say Season 7's finale will be, yes, rather bleak and sad and ugly for Vic. Death? Forced out of the LAPD? Arrested? Forced into exile? (I think he'll have to try to leave the country and be a fugitive like his dramatic antecedent, Gilroy.) I'm sure this has all been covered before a billion times but I'm bored, I can't get to sleep and I just figured this board could use a new topic. I always liked systematic approaches like yours, acc. The one thing I am pretty sure of is that Vic's ending will be bleak, sad and / or ugly. I still cling to the full circle theory ... Vic took out a ST member, whether you want to consider Terry to be a "real" ST member or not, Thus, he must pay for his sin with death. Don't forget, folks TS is a morality play, there is little doubt about that. Such an ending would be fitting, especially if, as I hypothesized, it will be another ST member who takes Vic out. I still like the Ronnie taking out BOTH Shane and Vic ending I proposed earlier.
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Post by acc on Mar 15, 2008 18:03:44 GMT -5
I like that theory, chem, and I think I especially like the idea of Ronnie being the one who sends Vic six feet under. The Shield might end like Reservoir Dogs or Rififi or any number of other crime morality tales with everybody who even remotely deserves it getting iced but then again maybe the writers know we may be expecting that and try to work against it somehow.
One thing, though, that I occasionally think about is Shawn Ryan saying in that interview with Forest Whitaker and Michael Chiklis that one of his favorite movies is Woody Allen's Crimes and Misdemeanors. If you know that film, you know what that comment may mean. And that would go against my theory, at least in part.
I can't believe we have another six months to wait out before Season 7 even begins to air! Not fair, not fair! Waaaaaaahh....
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 19, 2008 23:53:50 GMT -5
I hope for a little ingenuity too, but I'm sure they could pack enough power into Ronnie bloodying his way to the top to ingrain it into my head.
I'd like to see Vic, in the process of taking down Pezuela, do something so screwed up that it actually takes away his ambition to keep being a cop. It even tortures him after Pezuela is locked up/dead/gone. Kill him quietly. I don't know what that is or how it would play out, but for some reason I'm liking the idea of it...
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Post by acc on Mar 20, 2008 15:00:45 GMT -5
The ascension of Ronnie will need to be a densely-layered arc, like the fall of Lem or the misadventures of Shane. I'd like to see that in Season 7. Somehow, it seems like it's coming...
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Post by guy6324 on Mar 20, 2008 15:28:01 GMT -5
Question: Does the show ever make references to Rodney King or the 92 LA Riots? I know they have mentioned the Watts Riots a couple of times.
I ask because maybe in the Shield timeline that never happened and they may make the finale parallel that or the CRASH scandal. EG everything the team does comes out and there are massive riots in response.
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Post by acc on Mar 20, 2008 15:41:12 GMT -5
1x08, Cupid and Psycho. The Rodney King incident was referred to by Aceveda and Gilroy.
The Shield definitely takes place in "current time," so to speak. The Iraq War, "Mission Accomplished," 9/11, the Super Bowl with the Raiders in it, Kobe Bryant's sexual escapade and countless other "time-markers" have been in the series.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 21, 2008 10:06:41 GMT -5
I like that theory, chem, and I think I especially like the idea of Ronnie being the one who sends Vic six feet under. The Shield might end like Reservoir Dogs or Rififi or any number of other crime morality tales with everybody who even remotely deserves it getting iced but then again maybe the writers know we may be expecting that and try to work against it somehow. One thing, though, that I occasionally think about is Shawn Ryan saying in that interview with Forest Whitaker and Michael Chiklis that one of his favorite movies is Woody Allen's Crimes and Misdemeanors. If you know that film, you know what that comment may mean. And that would go against my theory, at least in part. I can't believe we have another six months to wait out before Season 7 even begins to air! Not fair, not fair! Waaaaaaahh.... Yeah, I wonder, too, if the writers may be expecting something like I proposed, though I think it's pretty "out there" to have Ronnie killing both Vic and Shane. It made my day to read that one of Shawn Ryan's fave films is Crimes and Misdemeanors. I'm a big Woody Allen fan, especially his older stuff ... Annie Hall is #3 on my all-time fave movies list. I even got my teenage daughter to like his older stuff. Then again, she's not your "normal" teen (she's proud of that fact , but I'm just trying to deal, heh). I somehow managed to miss Crimes and Misdemeanors, but will definitely look for it in the video rental store now. I'm afraid I won't find it. P.S. I'm enjoying all these new shield-related threads! Nice break from the "this n that" and "games" boards.
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Post by acc on Mar 23, 2008 13:02:49 GMT -5
Hehe, chem...
Crimes and Misdemeanors is quite good. If you see it, you'll see where Match Point really came from.
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Post by Bad_Ass_Cop on Mar 23, 2008 13:30:35 GMT -5
I haven't been a member here as long as some of you, So lemme ask you this, Is there anybody in here that was dead on about Lem getting blown up at the end of season 5? What about the past finales? Was there anybody who had guessed it and way pretty close? There are lots of theories out there. Vic going to Mexico, Ronnie being an undercover agent, blah blah... but I wonder who is closest to being right?
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 23, 2008 19:33:34 GMT -5
I haven't been a member here as long as some of you, So lemme ask you this, Is there anybody in here that was dead on about Lem getting blown up at the end of season 5? What about the past finales? Was there anybody who had guessed it and way pretty close? There are lots of theories out there. Vic going to Mexico, Ronnie being an undercover agent, blah blah... but I wonder who is closest to being right? I don't know if anyone guessed Lem's fate. That was a very well-guarded secret--they even had a code term for it at the studio. And don't forget the famous false spoiler about Ronnie getting killed. It was planted by Shawn Ryan to throw peeps off! It was really pretty funny. I think that was discussed in the season 5 boards.
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Post by tank510 on Mar 24, 2008 0:49:26 GMT -5
YEAH I WATCHED IT IN THE SPECIAL FEATURES OF SEASON FIVE 5 DVD. SHAWN RYAN WILL REALLY STRICT ON HIDING BOUT LEM. HE SENT OUT MEMOS TO THE STAFF TELLIN THEM NOT TO EXPOSE THE SPOILER. I REMEMBER HEARING KENNY JOHNSON HEARD ABOUT THIS LIKE MONTH OR TWO IN ADVANCE. I WAS GLAD BOUT THE RONNIE SPOILERS NOT BEING TRUE. THANK GOD
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Post by acc on Mar 24, 2008 16:46:37 GMT -5
The whole retroactive learning of the Ronnie death spoiler made me glad I almost never, *ever* look at any spoilers, even arguably harmless and benign ones.
The only two season finales where I kind of "predicted" what was going to go down were the Season 2 finale, in which the Strike Team ripped off the Money Train, rather successfully, and the Season 4 finale, in which Antwon was sent to prison but Monica was sacrificed by the LAPD. In each case, though, it was pretty obvious and went beyond mere "foreshadowing"--in the case of Dominoes Falling, they had played up the Money Train rip-off concept for about ten episodes or so and it seemed to be a perfect way to wrap up that season whereas with Season 4 it was mostly because we all knew Glenn Close wasn't returning, at least as a regular anymore, for Season 5 and beyond and that the whole Monica-Antwon war was beginning to wind down.
I kind of figured Margos was going to get iced by Vic in 3x15, On Tilt as well. But that was really the only thing I saw coming in that finale.
Lem being killed was the biggest moment of the series ever where I think, after the initial shock and horror, everybody who had been a long-term fan of the show should have slapped themselves in the head. Looking back at Season 3, Season 4 and Season 5, the whole thing seems brutally, tragically, inevitable.
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 26, 2008 1:01:52 GMT -5
The Ronnie spoiler did "good" for me. It's funny how I started to hate the gang getting away with everything by the end of S4, yet took solace in the "fact" that Lem would get to Mexico 30 minutes into 511. The real ending was the closest I ever came to shedding tears over any TV show. I think the Ronnie spoiler creating those expectations that got blown out of the water made the knife of 511 cut deeper.
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Post by vicmackey2008 on Mar 30, 2008 20:58:39 GMT -5
Vic will get away with every thing he always dose, Shane may be arrested, Killed by Vic or be Killed at the hands of Antwon Michell, is Antwon Michell coming back.
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Post by waltherp99 on Apr 8, 2008 7:57:54 GMT -5
I have noticed in my analysis of The Shield that the season finales directly contradict the previous finale in one way or another, especially with regards to the "central story" of Vic. Season 1 finale: Vic loses his family, breaks down, seems somewhat broken Season 2 finale: Vic gets a ton of money with his fellow Strike Team members... too good to be true? (Yes.) Season 3 finale: Vic and his Strike Team lose the money, lose their friendships and lose the team Season 4 finale: Back on top, in action, having fun but Lem seems to be in IAD's crosshairs, doesn't he? Season 5 finale: Lem is murdered by the guy he was playing around with in the Season 4 finale, Shane. Vic vows vengeance. Bleak as hell. Season 6 finale: Vic saves himself from professional execution, so it seems. Has a trunkload of goodies he can use for his advantage. Seems poised to take down a huge chunk of the Mexican Mafia and Cruz Pezuela. Determined to crush Shane. Hmm, judging by this, I'd say Season 7's finale will be, yes, rather bleak and sad and ugly for Vic. Death? Forced out of the LAPD? Arrested? Forced into exile? (I think he'll have to try to leave the country and be a fugitive like his dramatic antecedent, Gilroy.) I'm sure this has all been covered before a billion times but I'm bored, I can't get to sleep and I just figured this board could use a new topic. I always liked systematic approaches like yours, acc. The one thing I am pretty sure of is that Vic's ending will be bleak, sad and / or ugly. I still cling to the full circle theory ... Vic took out a ST member, whether you want to consider Terry to be a "real" ST member or not, Thus, he must pay for his sin with death. Don't forget, folks TS is a morality play, there is little doubt about that. Such an ending would be fitting, especially if, as I hypothesized, it will be another ST member who takes Vic out. I still like the Ronnie taking out BOTH Shane and Vic ending I proposed earlier. The Sheild, like another morality play....Starship Troopers (The book, not the movie)...Is all about a contiguous morality. The writing is by true believers, and, that's really the key to understanding. The difference between cited work and TS, is that in Starship Troopers, the cause *Thus the character* was good. In TS, not so much. The "goodness" in Vic is in the "caveman" and, "cavewoman" in us all. It's all about the survival of us and ours. In the end, "society" and "instinct" are at odds. Mackey represents the evil and, nobility in us all....And, at the end of the day...the fallibility. "Society" will win out, simply becuase, eventually, Mackey and his ilk are due for extinction by those who hover above the fray and pull the strings.
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Post by Bad_Ass_Cop on Apr 25, 2008 1:41:46 GMT -5
I was in the shower today getting ready for work. I don’t why I thought of it, but does anybody remember back in the early to mid 80's the old TV show Dallas? There was a cast member who died,(Bobby Ewing) they went through a whole season with out him in it, his funeral, blah blah... then as a season finale, his wife woke up from a "bad dream" went into the bathroom and there he was... in the shower... the whole thing was a complete dream.
How much would that suck if Vic dozed off on the couch while he was at the barbecue at his house in season 1 episode 1. he had dreamed everything, the money train, Aceveda giving Juan a hummer, his hoe friend Connie getting shot, Gilroy is still alive and kicking, terry was never shot... see where I’m going with this?
I would be completely pissed if that happened... that would mean everything that happened, didn’t happen.
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Post by -|E|- on Apr 25, 2008 8:09:00 GMT -5
^ I would also be pissed off about that, and I think all the cast, crew, writers, producers, editors, and the network itself would be pissed off too. I can't see it happening.
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Post by Inside Man on May 20, 2008 10:05:21 GMT -5
Question: Does the show ever make references to Rodney King or the 92 LA Riots? I know they have mentioned the Watts Riots a couple of times. I ask because maybe in the Shield timeline that never happened and they may make the finale parallel that or the CRASH scandal. EG everything the team does comes out and there are massive riots in response. I'm so extremely late coming to this thread, but I thought I'd acknowledge this. You're right, guy6324. One of the old school black store owners in the "Slipknot" episode mentioned the Watts Riots in a sideways manner. When Vic offered help in dealing with a problem, the guy answered "I first heard that back in..." I always got the impression that he was referring to the rioting. Sorry for not addressing the Original Premise.
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Post by chemikalman on May 25, 2008 0:09:28 GMT -5
Hehe, chem... Crimes and Misdemeanors is quite good. If you see it, you'll see where Match Point really came from. I finally watched Crimes and Misdemeanors with my daughter tonight. We were surprised at how much Match Point took after it. And a little disappointed, in fact, in the sense that Woody just recycled C&M. It also seems that C&M has similarities to Crime and Punishment. Might the title be a tribute to Crime and Punishment, which has always been one of my favorite novels? I'm not sure, though, about what you meant when you said "If you know that film, you know what that comment may mean." Do you mean SR's comment about C&M being one of his favorite films? As far as the ending of TS being like the ending of C&M, I can't see that happening.
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