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Post by jw on Mar 22, 2006 19:08:19 GMT -5
The girl who relishes true crime...yet when I saw Lem's eyes flicker open, I nearly vomited. I was horrified beyond comprehension even though I could feel it coming. I'm mystified by the fact that, by comparison, Terry the Rat had a peaceful death and Lem went out conscious and aware of how and by whom he was betrayed. F'ing inhumane, if you ask me. For us and Lem.
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Post by candylandgal on Mar 22, 2006 19:47:19 GMT -5
*peeks out of the shadows*
I was absolutely destroyed last night, and I have to say that the light of day didn't do much to take away that feeling every time my mind falls on Lem's death last night; it was tragic enough that it happened at all, but like it was said before me---the 'how' it happened was the most devestating fictional circle of events to come along in a long, long, long time.
That the acting was phenomenal only twisted the knife.
I cried like a baby, and I'm proud to say it. Kenny Johnson's portrayal of Lem had a way of getting in deep for me, and last night, from his disregard for himself to come out of hiding and check on the crying child to the fact that there was no doubt that Lem would have stood for his 'brothers' regardless of the fate that he might have called upon himself---and in the end, did call upon himself---to do that standing---his vulnerability as one man was never stronger, increasing in time to his heart, his courage, his love for The Strike Team.
For him to die in the way that he did, by the hands of dear friend and not enemy was the most tragic end I've witnessed in the fictional realm made that much more painful in who the character was, what he stood for, and how brilliantly portrayed it was.
That he didn't die right away was the straw that didn't just break the camel's back but threw the camel to the ground and stomped on it for good measure...meeting the eyes of 'brother' and 'killer' all rolled into one, still with the innocence that would question why.
*creeps back into the shadows, bringing her box of tissues with her*
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Post by candyman on Mar 22, 2006 19:56:05 GMT -5
I'd like to see Antwon get a hold of Shane in prison. I still cannot see Vic going to jail. I would hate for it to end that way. Basically, I do not like anyone who goes against Vic and Shane is so envious of Vic's power that he cannot stand it. He tried to emulate Vic on the streets and look at the mess it got him in with Antwon.
I still can't get over what Shane and his skanky wife did to Tevon.
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 22, 2006 20:46:56 GMT -5
*peeks out of the shadows* I was absolutely destroyed last night, and I have to say that the light of day didn't do much to take away that feeling every time my mind falls on Lem's death last night; it was tragic enough that it happened at all, but like it was said before me---the 'how' it happened was the most devestating fictional circle of events to come along in a long, long, long time. That the acting was phenomenal only twisted the knife. I cried like a baby, and I'm proud to say it. Kenny Johnson's portrayal of Lem had a way of getting in deep for me, and last night, from his disregard for himself to come out of hiding and check on the crying child to the fact that there was no doubt that Lem would have stood for his 'brothers' regardless of the fate that he might have called upon himself---and in the end, did call upon himself---to do that standing---his vulnerability as one man was never stronger, increasing in time to his heart, his courage, his love for The Strike Team. For him to die in the way that he did, by the hands of dear friend and not enemy was the most tragic end I've witnessed in the fictional realm made that much more painful in who the character was, what he stood for, and how brilliantly portrayed it was. That he didn't die right away was the straw that didn't just break the camel's back but threw the camel to the ground and stomped on it for good measure...meeting the eyes of 'brother' and 'killer' all rolled into one, still with the innocence that would question why. *creeps back into the shadows, bringing her box of tissues with her* Thanks for sharing that, candy... so true, and very touching. *steals a tissue before candy disappears*
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Post by bullethead on Mar 22, 2006 21:19:18 GMT -5
I just wanted to point out that it is a true testament to the writers and actors in this show, that we can all be so moved by them.
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Post by pacer1 on Mar 22, 2006 22:07:09 GMT -5
I will say that the saddest part was how grateful Lem was for that sandwhich, not knowing that it was just a ploy for Shane to kill him. That was probably the most emotional part of the show. It was like a stray dog, being led off to be euthanized. He probably had an idea that something was amiss, but followed along, tale wagging.
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Post by shieldmevic on Mar 23, 2006 0:45:59 GMT -5
I was shocked for hours. I knew something was wrong when Shane offered Lem a sandwich, but killing Lem caught me off guard.
Can't wait for the final season.
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Post by bullethead on Mar 23, 2006 10:04:43 GMT -5
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Post by candylandgal on Mar 23, 2006 10:23:52 GMT -5
I just wanted to point out that it is a true testament to the writers and actors in this show, that we can all be so moved by them.......said bullethead, and I just wanted to come in and agree completely. I turn the story over and over again in my mind, and my mind tries to whisper to me about the genius of 'Greek tragedy,' of the plot that this will unleash, of how deeply ingrained this means that I've become with the story being told and the characters, brought to life by actors who tell it in a way that there will never be enough kudos for, because gracious, they make every ounce of the experience so very real.... It's just my heart that remains stubborn and wishes that there had been another way to achieve the same level of brilliance and possibility that would have left the brotherhood of the Strike Team and the beauty of the Lem character intact and alive, goshdarnit. *tries to remove that part of me that cares way too much and realizes that it far too deeply ingrained because of the amazing nature of the show itself* (and thanks, .:E:.! *shares tissues openly*)
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Post by midnightman on Mar 23, 2006 13:22:22 GMT -5
I don’t think Lem should have been killed. Over the past 5 seasons there have been so many incredible twists, and turns that have keep everyone guessing and continuing to watch. Surely they could of come up with one more without having to kill off what was one of the shows best characters. I will of course continue to watch but, feel that there will be a big gap in the show next season.
I just saw a replay of the show, did anyone else notice that after Lem was dying and his eyes were still blinking that he says in a whisper that you can hardly hear the word "Shane" ?
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Post by arne on Mar 23, 2006 16:40:35 GMT -5
I was sure Shane was about to do *something* when he started talking about his "little girl" and family... but I still wasn't ready to believe he'd actually do THAT...
When I heard that metallic "ping" and Shane dropped the grenade, my jaw dropped, an icecold chill went down my spine, and I screamed "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" so loud my neighbors must have been *really* worried about me.
I confess: I started crying immediately. I didn't even catch the moment when Lem whispered Shane's name before he closed his eyes forever. When Shane started to cry, it got even worse. Somehow, I managed to watch the episode to the end.
After the last scene, I just sat there for about five minutes, saying nothing, before I turned the TV off. I wasn't able to watch anything else that night.
When I rewatched the episode, I cried even more, because on my initial viewing I was too shocked to let it all out.
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 23, 2006 17:02:08 GMT -5
I never cried, but it hit me in several ways. No matter how much I replay it in my head, I still can't believe it happened. I couldn't even listen to certain songs I like because they would remind me...
There were two gut-wrenching parts of this for me. I felt the grim reaper grinding up on Lem the second Shane mentioned that second baby. When Lem said "Maybe I'll get to see him some day," I felt a sting inside from knowing he wouldn't. And when "it" happened, the way Lem go right away got to me...
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Post by brokin6 on Mar 29, 2006 9:46:47 GMT -5
I just got back from my honeymoon so i finally saw it. I am so in shock i can't believe it. I know it is a television show but Lem was the embodyment of a good soul and a nice human being. So sorry it came to this.
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Post by qb on Mar 29, 2006 10:07:27 GMT -5
I just got back from my honeymoon so i finally saw it. I am so in shock i can't believe it. I know it is a television show but Lem was the embodyment of a good soul and a nice human being. So sorry it came to this. Did you already know what was going to happen? That would have ruined it for me completely. As much as I HATED IT, I relish the shock I felt. Unfortunately, I caught a glimpse of a post somehow that mentioned a main character would die. As the finale creeped toward those final 15 mins, I thought 1) it was a planted rumour, as in bullshit OR 2) it's Lem. I kept saying, aloud, "No...tell me it was just bullshit! Lem, please go to Mexico!!" To that very moment when I heard the grenade plunk on the floorboard... I believed they were taking us to the edge of a horrible possibility. So at that moment, I was able to savour it as much as anyone who didn't know.
Absolute fear, dread, horror, sorrow, anger, depression. They took me through them all. I have never before felt such emotional turmoil because of a series!!
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Post by brokin6 on Mar 29, 2006 14:49:14 GMT -5
No i didn't know and i kinda wish i would have never known. It's just a low point for the show. He deserved to die with dignity at the very least and not at the hands of shane. I would have prefered an accident on the way to his hearing or even a shootout with Kav but not this. I for one am highly dissappointed that it happened this way. R.I.P Lem, you will be missed.
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 29, 2006 16:43:46 GMT -5
It's a crappy death for me too, but in retrospect, the power of that moment and the rest of the show afterwards made this one of the Shield's best finales.
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Post by qb on Mar 29, 2006 18:06:04 GMT -5
It's a crappy death for me too, but in retrospect, the power of that moment and the rest of the show afterwards made this one of the Shield's best finales. I think we actually go through the stages of grief with this. Shock, denial, grief, anger, depression and back around. I was really upset at first, even though it's "just a fictional character." For several days it was all I could think about, even at work. Then I listened to the radio interview clip E posted and just hearing Kenny's voice made it all ok again. He's so calm and cool about Lem's death, wistful even, but we all do have to chuckle a little, right? One interviewer said "There go the chicks, dude!" (meaning viewers) I laughed along with them.
Sure, there will be a 6'2" hole where Lem should be--but we have to move on and see that Shane gets what he deserves. Justice, Vic-style, will find him! No way will Vic let him slide this time.
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Post by mrbrownstone on Dec 13, 2006 10:50:28 GMT -5
I watched it with a friend of mine, neither of us looked at each other, just sat there in silence. Later we both admitted to trying not to cry the whole time. We actually started up the fire pit in his back yard and just sat there, really depressed, for awhile. Then I drove home listening to the cheeriest music I could.
A few days later, I watched it with another friend of mine who asked me to tape it for him. I wish I could recapture the look of absolute shock on his face, which stayed there for about 10 minutes after the episode was over.
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Post by ShootFirst on Dec 13, 2006 13:51:21 GMT -5
I wasn't on here when this was originally being discussed but since it's been brought back up, guess I'll chime in. My room mate and I were watching and we knew something was going down. It didn't really surprise us that it happened. Still, we hated to see Lem gone.
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Post by SMOKE-DOG on Dec 13, 2006 14:12:27 GMT -5
My reaction to this very day is "WHAT THE f*ck".
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