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Post by WatchTheQuietOne on Aug 17, 2008 23:40:32 GMT -5
I've been re-watching all the seasons leading up to the last one's premiere. In season 4, it's interesting to see how much Lem hates Shane. He's pissed about everything they have to do to dig Shane out from under Antwon Mitchell, until Vic tells Lem that Shane is family, like it or not.
Antwon killed Angie with Shane's and Army's guns, so they look like her killers. Lem goes to Pittario to get the location of Angie's body. This is something that Vic and Shane couldn't do the first time they talked to Pittario. They got the 'horses' location and didn't follow up on the details. To keep Pittario under control, Lem takes his stash and screws up by keeping it in his vehicle. (IAD later takes the heroin from this vehicle).
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In the FX website interviews, David Marciano said the Shield is about a group of guys that break the rules and have to cover their individual and collective asses to keep things going.
Vic covers his ass with Captain Rawling. Shane covers his ass about Angie and the time he spent being Antwon's bitch. The only person who doesn't cover his ass is Lem. Lem could have taken the heroin out of his car, but he screwed up. He screwed up because he was too busy trying to cover Shane's ass and not his own.
It's ironic, because earlier in the same episode (Back in the hole), Vic mentions the thug code (kill your buddy before he kills you) and Shane says that loyalty is what separates cops from gangster thugs.
Lem got himself killed because he didn't play the thug game Shane played. He put his friends before himself and did not even try to cover his ass. This lead directly to his death.
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Post by Strike Team 4 Life on Aug 17, 2008 23:53:21 GMT -5
To be honest.... I am sort of disappointed in the subject title of this thread. I saw it listed as the most recent post..... SHAME ON YOU!!! I was sooo worried!!!
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Post by aussieangel on Aug 18, 2008 0:31:49 GMT -5
Shame on you too ST4L!! And now shame on me! As I make this the most recent post!
When you watch the series often and delve into it as much as we do here, these theories do arise. I don't like the title and saying that Lem killed himself, but I have to admit he sure played a big part in his own demise.
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Post by acc on Aug 20, 2008 3:00:32 GMT -5
Spiritually speaking, I do think Lem killed himself, in a way, when he allowed himself to be swallowed up by the corruption of the Strike Team all over again in the episodes you are detailing. (The Vic-Shane conversation about the "thug code" is actually in 4x09 but your point remains the same.) The saddest element is the resignation of it all from Lem. He tells Army in 4x11 to do stay away because no matter what they say, things will get bad with the Strike Team. In his own way, Lem knew he was doomed but because of the profound emptiness he felt ("You're my only family!" he bellows in 3x14) without his "brothers," he wanted back. (In 4x11, he directly saves Shane's life--which is a recurring image in the series, by the way, from 1x12 when that gunrunner nearly has Shane dead to rights before Lem steps in; he "avenges" Shane by killing the neo-Nazi kid who's shot him, and other cases.)
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Post by F*ckernando on Aug 20, 2008 18:17:24 GMT -5
You can't say that , cos Lem isn't Vic.... vic is the mastermind , he is always two steps ahead every situation, he sees the whole picture in his head, when others starts doin' "solo" stuff , they fall...yea........ look at Lem, in season 1x09 after tigre shows him the marks on her belly, he goes to kick the ass of hector (REACTING TO ANGER WITHOUT THINKING), and the mexis pulled their guns to kill him , and Vic and Ronnie saved his ASS!!! Not to mention the great-allmighty Shane!!! haha, all the fucked-up situations he creates, and then Vic cleans them, yea.............the maximum point of that is season 4, antwon beated shane, it's like army says....."you or Mackey!!! " when shanes says to him that he knows how to deal with the gangsters.......yea so Lem goes to Pitarrio, steals the heroin and put it in the car.....AND THEN HE FORGETS 'bout the heroin ......and then again I qoute army..." you or Mackey!" ..........LEM always was the shadow of Vic and the strike team , he always did what they wanted, they decided all things, and he accepted, (except in 3x14....) .......so....HE IS NOT USED TO STEAL EVIDENCE...manipulate witnesses....deal with gang-bangers,that is.......MACKEY'S TERRITORY............... Ronnie is the only one clean so far....because....HE never went "solo" on anything.......you get the idea? ? It's not Lem's fault that he died.....it's a personality matter, HE IS NOT LIKE THAT to BEHAVE like that , take kavanaugh for instance.......he tried to nail Mackey and went down the drain....HE IS NOT LIKE THAT ALSO........ If you put an amateur person to do something that HE NEVER ever pulled out before......99% of failure.....yea..... the only guilty of killin' Lem is Vic....because HE ordered Lem "go to pitarrio again and take some collateral this time".........he puts a guy to do something that HE does........and then goes wrong.......what a surprise............
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Post by Strike Team 4 Life on Aug 20, 2008 19:26:04 GMT -5
I'm sorry but let me state a fact of the show..... SHANE KILLED LEM!!! Plain and simple! lol
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Post by F*ckernando on Aug 20, 2008 19:37:45 GMT -5
SHANE KILLED LEM!!! Plain and simple! lol yea...I had two choices in my post..... 1-what I posted.... 2-SHANE KILLED LEM!!! but I choose the BAD-ASS way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Bailey on Jan 30, 2009 16:43:30 GMT -5
I just saw this and I agree ~ SHANE KILLED LEM!!!! I was so happy to see Shane blow his own brains out. ;D
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Post by scorpsik on Mar 1, 2009 5:26:50 GMT -5
Bailey - some of us have not seen season 7 yet, and you go and post that?
I am VERY VERY pissed off now. I'vebeen spoiler free so I could savour the last ever series and you go and post that in the season 4 thread.
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Post by F*ckernando on May 4, 2009 10:32:14 GMT -5
Bailey - some of us have not seen season 7 yet, and you go and post that? I am VERY VERY pissed off now. I'vebeen spoiler free so I could savour the last ever series and you go and post that in the season 4 thread. holy shit.... that's a SERIOUS point..... the worst spoiler EVER....revealed...... that SUCKS BIG TIME!!.......................................................
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Post by Nick Mills on May 4, 2009 19:37:31 GMT -5
I do believe that was an honest mistake. Let's not get the pitchforks out.
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Post by F*ckernando on May 5, 2009 20:46:24 GMT -5
^ maybe so..
but still....it's a complete horseshit.........and THAT scene....the most sacred scene of the WHOLE SHOW...!!! the whole RUN ...SINCE 2001!!!!
damn...I'M PISSED AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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