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Post by eekay on Jun 7, 2007 8:47:27 GMT -5
^ That looked like the very same table at which Aceveda was smoking when he met Sara the hooker.
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Post by Inside Man on Jun 7, 2007 9:17:34 GMT -5
Escort. Yeah, that looked like the same upper level and very same table. Gosh, almost the same camera angle.
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Post by vladinator on Jun 7, 2007 9:17:43 GMT -5
^ That looked like the very same table at which Aceveda was smoking when he met Sara the hooker. I thought the same thing... I always thought that she would have been Aceveda's downfall for some reason...
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Post by eekay on Jun 7, 2007 9:22:52 GMT -5
Escort. Yeah, that looked like the same upper level and very same table. Gosh, almost the same camera angle.
Lol. . .As far as I can recall, Ms. Sara did not "escort" Sr. Aceveda anywhere.
Do you think the crew just ran out of locations? Or were they deliberately making the connection for us there? Is Mrs. Kenny Johnson also an "escort"? Was Pezuela there to dig up some more dirt on Aceveda? Perhaps he's heard something. . .
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Post by Inside Man on Jun 7, 2007 9:32:55 GMT -5
Given the location, I figured (the lovely) Mrs. Johnson was an escort/hooker/callgirl, yes.
As far as the location itself, I thought it was chosen specifically. Maybe that's where the Latino power base hangs out. Maybe it was a clever way of layering Pezuela into the larger fabric of the story...to suggest that this guy has been around in the background since Season 4. I also felt it was picked to imply that Aceveda's rape is still haunting this whole story and just hasn't gone away.
ETA: *ding!* And you're right...maybe Pezuela has more dirt on Aceveda (Sara), making it easier for him to turn over the photo & memory stick to Vic. He's still got something else on Aceveda.
Maybe Vic will discover evidence of that in the box of goodies early next season.
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Post by eekay on Jun 7, 2007 9:43:26 GMT -5
^ I might buy the Latino power base thing if it weren't for the fact that on the night that Aceveda met Sara, he was there originally at a table with a bunch of other politicians --old white guys, mostly, if I recall. Now, Aceveda may have invited them there to talk, but it would be weird for a freshly-elected, ambitious Councilman to bring his new friends and connections to his favorite hangout; he'd want to start going to one of theirs.
So, perhaps that bar is a club, or hangout, for politicians and movers and shakers in general --hence the prevalence of high-class call girls. Sara did have some other big connections, you'll remember --the guy for whom she ditched Aceveda, for instance. A real estate big shot, was he not? AND --here's the conspiracy theorist in me kicking in-- if Pezuela is connected in an administrative capacity with these girls, it may explain how he gets at least some of his intel --or at least, leads on where to look for dirt. Men, or so I've heard, will tell their "escorts" a lot of things they normally wouldn't tell anyone. . .
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Post by Inside Man on Jun 7, 2007 10:38:15 GMT -5
^ I might buy the Latino power base thing if it weren't for the fact that on the night that Aceveda met Sara, he was there originally at a table with a bunch of other politicians --old white guys, mostly, if I recall. Now, Aceveda may have invited them there to talk, but it would be weird for a freshly-elected, ambitious Councilman to bring his new friends and connections to his favorite hangout; he'd want to start going to one of theirs. A good observation, eekay, but...just because white movers & shakers hung out there 2 years ago doesn't mean it couldn't have been usurped by the Latino Upper Crust. Actually, that pretty much dovetails with what's happening in Farmington (and three other precincts). So, perhaps that bar is a club, or hangout, for politicians and movers and shakers in general --hence the prevalence of high-class call girls. Sara did have some other big connections, you'll remember --the guy for whom she ditched Aceveda, for instance. A real estate big shot, was he not? AND --here's the conspiracy theorist in me kicking in-- if Pezuela is connected in an administrative capacity with these girls, it may explain how he gets at least some of his intel --or at least, leads on where to look for dirt. Men, or so I've heard, will tell their "escorts" a lot of things they normally wouldn't tell anyone. . . I can buy this. Lotsa high class ass on display there. Pezuela's got some deep connections, that's for sure.
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Post by eekay on Jun 7, 2007 10:59:16 GMT -5
Well: so since we're already going there with the conspiracy theories, how's about taking it one step further? Way way back in Season 1 there was that skinny blonde woman who tried to ruin Aceveda's career by telling a writer for La Raza that he had raped her in college. Turns out the rape part wasn't true, but Aceveda had in fact dated this woman and engaged in some S&M practices with her, which he had enjoyed up to a point. Skip to Season 4, where the call girl who picks him up is also a skinny white girl --not blonde at first, but she did dye her hair that way-- who is obviously very experienced at servicing clients with S&M or D&S tendencies. Coincidence? Or did someone, having spoken to the ex-girlfriend and/or the reporter, know Aceveda's tastes and proclivities, and place her in his way?
All right, maybe that one's a little far-fetched. . .
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Post by chemikalman on Jun 7, 2007 11:37:20 GMT -5
I'm just glad Sara is out of the picture. I have a hard time looking at that bizarre face of hers. I don't know why, it just bothers me. And now I have to see her in The Unit. She should have been on a show like Battlestar Galactica instead.
On a slightly less shallow note, I'm glad to see the thoughts of you freaks from the snitches board. ;D
BTW, I see you "guys" are already snatching up every piece of crap you can find on S07 ... sort of like a homeless guy bending over to pick up something shiny from the gutter. (ha ha ha, just kidding). Like someone over there explained so aptly, if you're a junkie, you're a junkie. IS, what do you mean now you can start reading them (posts in snitches)??!! I coulda sworn I saw your name in the snitches board all the time!
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Post by Inside Man on Jun 7, 2007 12:28:51 GMT -5
IS, what do you mean now you can start reading them (posts in snitches)??!! I coulda sworn I saw your name in the snitches board all the time! Chem, I do poke through Snitches every once in a while when I'm bored or really feeling a Jones for the next episode. It's nice that you have rules about "no detailed info in the Thread Title" because that's safe for me. I can pick and choose a 'vanilla' thread or two. I do not like to be spoiled and hate knowing information about what's going to be in an episode. I really don't know how people enjoy reading everything about an episode, or anything, really. This whole French thing made it unbearable because there were threads about the episodes weeks in advance. Those? I avoided those like the plague. I pray it doesn't happen next season.
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Post by Capone on Jun 7, 2007 12:47:38 GMT -5
Ok....while we all agree....it wasn't what we were all expecting.... It wasn't the worse finale.....I think that was the one where Vic 'could' have shot shane but didn't. Season two and Season five had the most intense..... Money train and fried Lem. What we can all agree is there are many unanswered questions. 1) The Armenians now suspect and some of them believe it was Vic and the team who hit the Money train. Will they let it rest or try to Kill Vic, Ronnie and their families without warning. Two million is a lot for the mob to just turn their head. 2) How much trouble is Shane in with the Mob. How long will he lick daddy Armenian's balls? (Ref. to the Antwon incident.. ) 3) What is Vic going to do with the trunk full of blackmail? Will he be happy with just his job back, or will heads roll? Will he blackmail his way to the top? 4) Will Hiatt be back? Is he really gone? Was he ever really there? 5) Now that Vic crossed the Mexican Mob.....will they come after him? 6) Will Dani and Dutch really hook up this time? 'you gotta be shittin' me' 7) Will Claudette flip out? 8 ) When will season seven began? Will it truly be the last season or will Shawn Ryan pull a fast one? They say it will.....but will it? 9 ) Will Vic kill Shane? (Not only did he kill Lem, but he f'd with Vic's family.) 10 ) What happens if Shane dies, will that file on Vic and the boys end up on IAD's Doorstep? If so will the blackmail file be enough to save his a$$? LAST, but not least.... the most important question of all.......and I am sure it is on everyone's mind- 11) WILL Billings actually get 3 to 4 million dollars from the city!!! ;D ;D
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Post by chemikalman on Jun 7, 2007 14:19:00 GMT -5
Good Qs, capone. First, while I HATE spoilers, don't take my joke about you guys seriously or be offended--hell, I've been known to check out shiny stuff from gutters. ;D Ok....while we all agree....it wasn't what we were all expecting.... It wasn't the worse finale.....I think that was the one where Vic 'could' have shot shane but didn't. Season two and Season five had the most intense..... Money train and fried Lem. What we can all agree is there are many unanswered questions. 1) The Armenians now suspect and some of them believe it was Vic and the team who hit the Money train. Will they let it rest or try to Kill Vic, Ronnie and their families without warning. Two million is a lot for the mob to just turn their head. They will try. The die has been cast by Diro.2) How much trouble is Shane in with the Mob. How long will he lick daddy Armenian's balls? (Ref. to the Antwon incident.. ) They're dead balls now, if you are literally referring to Diro's daddy. I'll have to rewatch the ep because I'm not sure who is in charge now. Wasn't Diro about to hightail it out of the hospital before the dude in prison's henchmen arrived? Shane would probably like to lick another part of Diro's anatomy--in fact there's a poll Q out there related to that.
3) What is Vic going to do with the trunk full of blackmail? Will he be happy with just his job back, or will heads roll? Does a shark shit in the sea? (now im starting to sound like icy) .
4) Will Hiatt be back? Is he really gone? Was he ever really there? As others have mentioned his departure was abrupt, to say the least. I doubt he'll be back since he has a new show starting in the fall. In fact, that may have had something to do with the abruptness of his departure.5) Now that Vic crossed the Mexican Mob.....will they come after him? Another shark just swam by.6) Will Dani and Dutch really hook up this time? 'you gotta be shittin' me' That would really surprise me. It seemed more like she was giving Dutch a living Hallmark "I'm sorry ... you've got a friend" moment. 7) Will Claudette flip out? Her gender notwithstanding, I doubt it. <see chem running for cover> 8 ) When will season seven began? Will it truly be the last season or will Shawn Ryan pull a fast one? They say it will.....but will it? I'm pretty sure that will be it. I'd bet on it and offer pretty steep odds.9 ) Will Vic kill Shane? (Not only did he kill Lem, but he f'd with Vic's family.) I would normally say "no", but the thing that happened between Shane and Vic's family is a line Shane better not cross.10 ) What happens if Shane dies, will that file on Vic and the boys end up on IAD's Doorstep? If so will the blackmail file be enough to save his a$$? Got no guess on this one.LAST, but not least.... the most important question of all.......and I am sure it is on everyone's mind- 11) WILL Billings actually get 3 to 4 million dollars from the city!!! ;D ;D That has about the same chance as Aceveda's "doberman" winning a suit against Vic.
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Post by icy on Jun 7, 2007 14:45:27 GMT -5
Notice how Billings mentions to Dutch in the car about whether or not he minds if he turns down the air conditioning unit because it gives him headaches ever since he had to help break up the fight between Kav and Vic.
Toward the end of the episode he turns in a document stating that he is going for full disability mentioning that Dutch is a witness to statements he has made regarding his disability. He also plans on suing “The Barn” for millions for this disability he claims he has acquired on his job.
Hiatt is a pretty boy who will never be able to give “The Strike Team” the balls it needs to keep Farmington gangs under control. The only call he ever made was to break up a gang initiation, which screwed up a CI contact on a bigger issue. He is outta “Barn” C-YA!
Dutch shows that he is kind and sensitive, as well as a gentleman to both Tina and Danny. He is a good detective who was stuck with a d*ckhead of a partner for a while. Things are already playing out in his favor. Go Dutchman!!!
Shane realizes how far he went in blurting out the money train when he puts the families and lives of “The Strike Team” in harms way. He has already saved Corrine and Cassidy. Now, he has forged a deal with the other Armenian he jailed. Unfortunately, it is the same deal. If he crosses him, the families and men will die.
Notice the interesting camera angle on Shane’s pained face, as he exists the room like he is leaving a tunnel. I found this to be one of the most interesting acting scenes that was a product of both the actor and the people working the camera. Strong stuff!!!
Great job by Vic and Ronnie, as usual trying to beat the clock and tie loose ends to save Vic's job. They have no idea at this point how confusing things are.
Part of me wishes that Vic had made a copy of that digital pic stick of Aceveda. Vic has trusted him so many times and all he does is screw him over. Hopefully, Aceveda really realizes that he DOES NEED someone like Vic in Farmington or it will go to hell in a hand basket. He would be stupid to look the other way on this.
Who cares if Vic walked out of the review board?! He went after the Mexican assholes who are screwing him and Farmington over by hanging out the window of that dude’s car…”I said STOP!”
He got a trunk full of goodies that are going to help him at a re-scheduled review in the future which can be worth a helluva lot more than the original review which could have sealed his fate right then and there. It’s called Mackey style!!!
Great set-up finale for next season. Can’t wait!!
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Post by badcop187 on Jun 7, 2007 17:53:35 GMT -5
I just thought of something. Assinvader was so sure Juan did not send the pic because he did not know how to forward it. This is probably true. But if there was a memory stick in the phone, Juan would not need to know how to send it, just remove it from the camera!
Just a little tidbit, but It makes sense.
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Post by eekay on Jun 7, 2007 21:05:02 GMT -5
^ Actually I think that Juan had said he uploaded it, or saved it to disc, or something. I don't rememeber him saying that he had sent it. But I remember Aceveda asking him questions about uploading and stuff, and he couldn't answer. I bet his girlfriend did it for him, and he couldn't admit that she was more technically competent than he was.
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Post by electroshockblues on Jun 8, 2007 3:04:32 GMT -5
The thing people tend to forget is that it wasn't Juan's phone - it was Ricky's.
Ricky may well have downloaded the pic without Juan knowing.
The pic was probably then passed on to a higher-up who kept it safe for a rainy day, rather than deciding to use it to get a low-level thug like Juan out of jail.
This is kind of like an inversion of Aceveda saving Vic's life in the S1 finale. In fact, though Aceveda saving Vic's life hasn't been brought up since the event (and is even often forgotten or ignored by most Aceveda-hating Shield fans), I can't help but feel that it plays a part in Vic not being able to utterly destroy Aceveda.
Overall, I have very mixed feelings about this season. The first 9 episodes were (ignoring the "dream" storyline of ep4) absolutely on the money, but the finale just worked towards undoing a lot of good work by re-establishing the exact same dynamics we've had before, (Aceveda and Vic's uneasy alliance, and Shane being under the thumb of gangsters), instead of forging ahead and developing more original situations.
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Post by chemikalman on Jun 8, 2007 8:21:43 GMT -5
The thing people tend to forget is that it wasn't Juan's phone - it was Ricky's. Ricky may well have downloaded the pic without Juan knowing. The pic was probably then passed on to a higher-up who kept it safe for a rainy day, rather than deciding to use it to get a low-level thug like Juan out of jail. This is kind of like an inversion of Aceveda saving Vic's life in the S1 finale. In fact, though Aceveda saving Vic's life hasn't been brought up since the event (and is even often forgotten or ignored by most Aceveda-hating Shield fans), I can't help but feel that it plays a part in Vic not being able to utterly destroy Aceveda. Overall, I have very mixed feelings about this season. The first 9 episodes were (ignoring the "dream" storyline of ep4) absolutely on the money, but the finale just worked towards undoing a lot of good work by re-establishing the exact same dynamics we've had before, (Aceveda and Vic's uneasy alliance, and Shane being under the thumb of gangsters), instead of forging ahead and developing more original situations. As I've said numerous times, I have no problem with the pic showing up again. I had bigger problems with one of the cornerstones of S06: the San Marcos murders. Kurt Sutter somewhat assuaged those in his blog, but not entirely. I also didn't have a major problem with the dream sequence in The New Guy. I personally know women who are loopy enough to have done just what Corrine did. As far as your last paragraph, ESB, I tend to agree with what you say. Kurt also mentioned how great it is to have new blood in the writing crew but I just can't see how writers could be brought in for toward the end of a series like this and have the same feel for the characters. It is true, however, that Glen M. was there for the 1st five eps and Scott R. for the entirety of S06. Glen and Kurt publicly disagreed over how Lem's murder was handled; it's interesting to wonder how the rest of S06 would have turned out had he stayed. That being said, Shawn Ryan has the last word on the overall direction the show goes, so I find it a bit peculiar that he would "re-establish the same dynamics." Though one could say that series arcs are being completed, much as some of the season arcs were. Hence, we have S06 being a setup for S07. I'll try to get into that with writers if I have a chance this summer. I am completely confident that S07 will deliver blockbusters that we can't even imagine now. This will be time when all shit hits the fan before the fan is unplugged!
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Post by Strike Team 4 Life on Jun 8, 2007 23:09:09 GMT -5
I've said it before, but Cathy C. Ryan really has gotten better at acting. This season was her best, she gets better each season!
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Post by cuffs on Jun 11, 2007 1:44:26 GMT -5
Ok, I am going to be reallly honest now that I have "endured" the season finale--imho--the single most boring ep I've seen--in The Shield history! Don't be offended when I say I had to watch it while doing email, cleaning my cats' boxes, vaccuming, ETC. Things I needed to be doing anyway because I've been out of town, or maybe because I was so frigging bored.
If you ask me, the only thing worth watching tonight was Cathy Ryan and a few other fight scenes--the things that remind me of what The Shield has really been!
I gave it a D but maybe because I am feeling tired and somewhat cranky.
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Post by ShootFirst on Jun 11, 2007 23:59:47 GMT -5
I'm just now getting to chime in and most of my views have been expressed so I'm not gonna be too redundant and in no type of order at all...just as it comes to me.
Hiatt's exit made his whole stay seem like a waste. I don't mind if he doesn't come back but the way he went sucked.
I couldn't give a rat's ass about Billings' lawsuit.
Dutchboy/Danny/Tina was ok but a very average filler.
I kept thinking through the last few eps. that a pretty big finish was coming, all the while providing a great setup for the final season. This was nothing more than another setup. It didn't even seem like a setup for another season but just another show. It was never a concern if Vic would keep his job or not. This show would not be possible without Vic Mackey...period. How he keeps it is being done well.......so far. As said before, I too think that Corrine and the kiddos showed up on their own accord. Mackey had a plan the whole time and he's gonna whoop someone's ass while staying on. As far as it seeming convenient or lucky to pull over the one car to have all the material he needed and was looking for, not so. He did his homework and knew exactly who to go after when he did it.
One thing that has pissed me off though is the complete backseat that Lem's death has taken in this whole scheme of thing. I understand that other things had to come into the light and be dealt with but it's like Lem's murder almost never happened. I'll be severely pissed even more if Shane is not revealed to the masses next year.
If it was a normal ep, this would have gotten a B- from me. As far as a finale goes, a very weak D. The only thing we said when it ended was "YOU GOTTA BE SHITTIN' ME!"
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