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Post by amakusa42 on May 30, 2007 1:50:57 GMT -5
Agreed that that paths Vic and Shane are walking aren't identical, but the result is the same. What would the series be like if it was Shane who brought down Vic Mackey? Vic also took down someone he thought was his mentor who turned on him.
Like I said, this series isn't going to end the way we thought. If Shane can pull things together like Vic could, there'd be no stopping him.
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Post by mackey07 on May 30, 2007 6:30:56 GMT -5
Gotta give it an A Didnt someone say something here about the picture not showing up again?? Poor Dutch, cant win for losing. Maybe he'll snap and shoot Billings when he finds out Billings did it to him. And what about when Tina finds out? Hopefully, it is an hour and a half next week. From what I was seeing its going to take more than an hour and ten to tie all this up. Great show.
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Post by grovestud on May 30, 2007 7:36:07 GMT -5
It's definitely going to blow up in Billings face, but that was hilarious. Unless he somehow erases the text messages from both Tina and Dutch's phones there is an electronic trail to get Dutch off the hook for peeping. I can't wait to see what Hiatt says to Dutch thinking he was peeping/stalking Tina.
As for Shane - just when you think you couldn't hate someone more, he rats out his "buddies" to the Armenians.
I think Vic getting that picture was my favorite moment of the series. Glad to see it coming up again.
Like others - I gave it a solid A. Can't wait for the finale.
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Post by fanatic1950 on May 30, 2007 7:52:40 GMT -5
Maybe Dutch will get his hands around Billings neck and break it just like he did to the cat.
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Post by Inside Man on May 30, 2007 7:54:09 GMT -5
This episode should have been called "Barn Bitches," referring of course to Billings and that twerp Shane. A-fukkin-PLUS! I liked how they brought the BJ pic back... I'll have my crow roasted please. What the hell is this developer dude into?? Is he responsible for San Marcos??? How did he get this picture?! Wow.... Sarah and Liz might earn a bit of forgiveness for The New Guy after this ep. Thanks for keeping the girls on track, Adam! I hope you have another plate because I need to munch some crow, too. Great episode. In this hour, I have found the urgency that I was longing for. Next week should be shweeeet.
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Post by -|E|- on May 30, 2007 8:39:39 GMT -5
^ Crow Eaters R Us.... I just couldn't imagine how that pic could come back. But that's why I'm not a writer!! But really - I'm seriously worried about Mr. Palalalalalaaaalala, Evil Developer. How the hell did he get that picture?! How long has he known? I thought he was already in kahoots with Aceveda. Why does Mr. P need blackmail material against him if they're already 'doing business?' Has he already used it? Does Aceveda know there's a picture in existence? What the hell will Vic do with it?! OMG - I'm going insane for next week's ep!!! But then that's it for only God & Landgraf know how long.... ::sigh::
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Post by vladinator on May 30, 2007 8:56:45 GMT -5
Up until the last couple scenes, I wasn't thrilled with this episode...but those last few scenes changed everything!!!
I would give this episode a B+ if that were an option...it's not so it got a B from me...
Shane is such an ass! If he makes it out of this alive, I'm going to be really surprised.
The whole Billings, Hiat, Tina, Dutch, Dani, thing was funny, but wasn't good for much other than a laugh. Hopefully Dutch finds out that Billings created the whole situation and exposes his vending machine profits...
The 1 thing that I am hoping for the most next season is that they find Dutch a real partner. I have a strange feeling that he will be paired with Shane next season though...which could get really ugly...I've had a sinking feeling for some time that in the end, Shane will rat out everyone and he will end up walking away from it while everyone else sinks...
From the minute that the picture of Aceveda was taken, I knew that it would somehow end up in Vic's hands...the big question now is what he will do with it....as far as I can see, he has 2 choices...use it to pressure Aceveda into saving his job or tell Aceveda about it and get him to work with him on bringing down his developer "friend", saving Vic's job in the process...The other big question is whether or not Vic will put together who the other guy in the picture is...he already knew that Aceveda visited Juan and Antwon in jail and that Juan ended up dead....
I liked that Corrine was looking out for Vic by digging up the info on other job opportunities...This might provide a future happy ending to the story for Vic...
I can't wait until next week, but the wait between seasons is going to be Hell!!! Especially knowing that next season is the last...
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Post by sarah on May 30, 2007 9:21:32 GMT -5
E move over so we can share that crow. I never thought that picture would show up AND I thought the Money Train was over. This was so good, loved Vic getting that pic and I'm gonna love him shoving it up Assaveda's ass. I've been waiting for someone to stick it to Aceveda. It's gonna be sweet. Billings man what a way to get even with Dutch. Vic can kill Shane. My days of feeling sorry for that a**hole are over. Shane is such a rat and then to make himself look like the good guy. I hope it blows up in his face BIG. It's official I hate Claudette, her smug ass attitude toward Vic, I hope he does keep his job so he can rub her face in it everyday. Bitch I can't wait for next week, then it's back to being* On The Jones* for next season
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Post by mackey07 on May 30, 2007 10:19:41 GMT -5
One can only hope Shane thinks twice, no three times before going after Corrine and the kids as that will only lead to disaster for him. Maybe Vic will use the picture to get Acevada to turn on his developer freind, he's turned on every one else, I would want him to be perfect.
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Post by Kern Little on May 30, 2007 10:45:54 GMT -5
Hey everyone. I'm weak. I saw this episode about 3 weeks ago and didn't come back here because of that.
I'm glad you guys are caught up and YES the assholeveda pic has been exposed.
I dont even care what happens anymore, I just didnt want that to be a loose end floating around out there.
Billings is my favorite character this season. He played the hell out of Dutch. Dutch is a good detective but he is an a**hole sometimes. I like him too, but sometimes he is a tactless buffon imo.
Not much to say that hasnt been said already. Great EP, Great series, we're on borrowed time people. One ep left, then 1 season left after that.
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Post by chemikalman on May 30, 2007 11:21:43 GMT -5
I was just checking out the TV listings for next week and saw that The Shield is scheduled for 1 hour and 35 minutes. I wonder how many takes were needed with Tina sitting on Hiatts lap. If it was me in Hiatts place I would have screwed up on purpose just to enjoy the ride. LMAO I'm just now going thru the comments and someone may have pointed this out already, but Hiatt WAS screwing up--literally.
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Post by badcop187 on May 30, 2007 12:32:12 GMT -5
To E, and everyone else who did not think the BJ pic and the money train would not come up again, What show have you been watching for the last 5 years? Of course they would resurface, it's the shield. Hell Terry is still coming up regularly. Those 2 instances had no closure. As I have been saying for 3 years, just cause Lem burnt the $ doesn't mean the Armenians know it was burnt, they still think it is out there. What else would they think? Hell would you forget about millions of dollars? I think not.
Any way, I have to go to the sporting good store and buy some more shot gun shells to kill all this extra Crow!!!!!! LOL
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Post by badcop187 on May 30, 2007 12:32:27 GMT -5
And Yes I am gloating!!!!!!!
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Post by -|E|- on May 30, 2007 14:36:26 GMT -5
^ For the record, Mr. GloatingCop..... I never once said the Money Train wouldn't come back - it had to. I was just concerned that bringing back the BJ pic wouldn't be 'authentic' or really believable. I mean, where has it been all this time? Who had it? Why didn't they use it to blackmail Aceveda before now? How did Evil Developer get it? Why does Evil Developer want to save Vic's job? Can Aceveda REALLY save Vic's job in the first place?
I think they were really smart in the way they brought it back, but I'm worried that the explanation for how it ended up with Evil Developer won't fly. And it has to be a perfectly reasonable and simple explanation or the whole thing sinks, IMHO.
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Post by grovestud on May 30, 2007 14:43:49 GMT -5
^Why does Evil Developer want to save Vic's job?
Easy. For one, the guy obviously has connections with the gangs. Vic works under the table with the gangs (giving them the San Marcos killers). Vic is a nice guy to have on the force if you are high up in the gangs. The other reason is the reason he gave to Vic - to get Vic to stop looking into his background and connections.
As for this question: Can Aceveda REALLY save Vic's job in the first place?
I think so. He has a lot of pull in the department. Also, he pretty much tells Claudette what to do. I can't wait to see him tell Claudette to tell the panel that she needs Vic. I think her head will explode. I can't wait to see her reaction.
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Post by chemikalman on May 30, 2007 15:26:02 GMT -5
I wasn't able to focus on last night's ep for a number of reasons, but the bits and pieces I saw were unbelievable. The thought going thru my mind after seeing Shane and Vic both working Diro was how the hell can she trust either one of them now?
I don't think Vic is gonna use the bj pic to partner with Aceveda against the developer. I think just the opposite. The developer makes Aceveda look like an amateur--he (the developer) is holding all the cards. He is a badass dude and Vic knows it. Vic tends to go with the top dog. But the biggest reason Vic won't turn against the developer is he reached out to Vic and will make it possible for Vic to stay on the job.
Billings running around trying spread gossip and rumors to make Dutch look bad made me think "um, is this middle school?" I saw Tina riding Hiatt later on, but missed the part about the cell phones. Man, I guess Billings must really hate Dutch to set him up like that. It will be interesting to see what Dutch does when he finds out and you know he will. I also was thinking back to S01 when poor Dutchboy watched from afar as Vic and Danny were kissing.
I agree with the person who said they really hate Claudette now. Is her memory that short or is she that naive to be so smug about Vic's demise? I like the observation that she is becoming another Aceveda and Shane is becoming another Vic, though both have a LoNG way to go in those transformations and neither will get there. Julien changing into a tougher ST kind of guy? I'm not quite ready to buy that. And Dutch remains Dutch. He held it together pretty well when he was explaining to the gay guy that sometimes things just don't work out the way we want. But he might be doing a slow burn inside and slow burns tend to explode more often than cool down. Another throw down with Billings is unlikely I think ... Dutch will be more extreme this time. Funny how Dutch just happened to have a clear view through the window. Hiatt didn't seem to miss a stroke, though--no coitus interruptus for that boy. It will be interesting to see what Hiatt does, if anything.
Shane is in full self-preservation mode now. He's cutting a deal with the devil to try to save his hide and his family.
And, oooh, Aceveda, talk about being a little too smug ... what a surprise you are in for!
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Post by Inside Man on May 30, 2007 15:27:51 GMT -5
Mr Gloating Cop ( ;D ),
I didn't think that the BJ pic would ever come up because, to me, it was sufficiently debunked in "What Power Is..."
Juan looked completely lost when Asseveda asked exactly how he put the picture "on disc." Obviously, hindsight makes his nonresponse crystal clear that he was merely acting dumb. I guess there was enough silence from Juan to make this possible.
Can I get seconds on the crow?
It would be ridiculous to think the Armenians have forgotten about their missing money. I thought Potente's character has been getting close to Shane because she knows who took down the Money Train. She's only waiting for the right time to get medieval on his ass.
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Post by jwc53531 on May 30, 2007 15:34:27 GMT -5
this ep gets an A from me if only for the shoutout we got:
Shane to Vic: I'll make sure and come see you when you're working that security job in Northridge
maybe it's because of that Cal State Northridge shirt I wore when we visited the set, ha ha
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Post by Inside Man on May 30, 2007 15:35:41 GMT -5
Also...Since the reintroduction of the Armenian storyline this Season, I've assumed that the reason Papa Gangster's health went south so quickly is because of the Money Train heist. And his daughter knows it.
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Post by -|E|- on May 30, 2007 15:46:09 GMT -5
^ Wow, good point.... She's a smart cookie and just might find out that SHANE was one of Vic's Money Train guys. This is not going to end well for Shane....
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