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Post by Cletus Van Damme on May 23, 2007 13:30:26 GMT -5
Okay, let's assume it is The Wrath of the Math and look at the more interesting question: what the hell does it mean? Some possibilities: 1. Shane calculating how much he needs to collect so he can get out of Dodge by doing side work for the Armenian boss' daughter (while at the same time shaking down the thugs who ripped off the Russian hos in the Armenian-owned apartment--bad idea, Shane). 2. The developer friend of Ass-invader calculating how much $ he will need for his "exploratory committee" or redistricting to strengthen his chances of winning his next race? 3. The number of solved murders it will take to keep the Barn open now that the list has increased. 4. The amount of action the Salvadorans want from the Mexicans to protect their drug operation. 5. The number of overtime tricks the Russian Hos will have to work to get back the money lost to the thugs who robbed them. 6. The money saved by buying "high quality replicas" of knockoff designer purses while rich bitches put themselves in harm's way of thieves. Okay, this is the least likely. . . . ? We had a discussion on this in the spoiler area when I poisted the titles for ep 6-10 I had posted that the ep 8 title is The Math of the Wrath and E mentioned the sign she linked above and I posted that perhaps they changed it to what I have because 'Wrath of the Math' is an album by hip hop artist Jeru the Damaja. Then shieldaddict posted this awesome analysis: The Wrath of the Math sounds like it means ..the 'explosion' of emotions, negative actions, or 'payback' triggered by a 'summation'/or ' total' of events that have come before the present time of this episode. I betcha it came from that 'hip' Shield writer Chick Eglee, especially regarding Jeru the Damaga's sophmore LP title reference . Of course he was right, since Chick Eglee wrote the ep.
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Post by chemikalman on May 23, 2007 14:02:54 GMT -5
The change of the name from what was on the commissary sign I buy. shieldaddicts interpretation of the title ... eh, maybe. But I don't remember too many vague, general titles like that. Which leads to another Q: which other titles were hard to figure out because they didn't seem to have much to do with the ep? This will lead to a tangent to this thread, I know E ... bear with me.
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Post by cuffs on May 23, 2007 14:25:07 GMT -5
I wish we had plus and minus options because I'd give this one a solid B+. It was good, is setting some important ground work for the finale, and had a couple of laugh-out-loud lines for me. Not every ep has to shake my tree, esp when we are getting close to the last ep. THAT ONE *must* shake my tree, of course!
I don't have any additional commentary to make other than Claudette's line to Shane about never speaking to her in "that tone again" seemed really out of place. She gave it a lot of force, perhaps a little acting overkill, considering how Goggins said the line in question. Maybe he was tired after too many takes? And, yes, the Snapple line goes down in Shield history as a classic!
PS. I don't know many women who are so nutty for designer purses that they'd slum into a dangerous neighborhood for a knock-off. Carrying a "name" purse or clutch, if anyone other than a celebrity or the monied comfortable, is a dead give away of the working class--and I've always found that strikingly bizzare. Me, I've never paid more than $100 for a carry, the last one being a ratty-looking army green slouchy Fossil for $85. And that's even sillier, considering I could probably find the same thing at some garage sale for $5.00!
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Post by -|E|- on May 23, 2007 14:39:59 GMT -5
I've been emailing with Kurt Sutter (I KNOW!!!) and he just informed me that the official title for last night's ep is in fact "The Math of the Wrath."
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Post by Cletus Van Damme on May 23, 2007 14:44:00 GMT -5
I don't have any additional commentary to make other than Claudette's line to Shane about never speaking to her in "that tone again" seemed really out of place. Good catch! Another example of Claudette being on a little power trip, cos I can definately remember her speaking in much worse tones to her former boss Aceveda over the seasons. But yeah, Claudette felt she was being wronged then, so of course that made it okay...
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Post by jwc53531 on May 23, 2007 17:22:02 GMT -5
I would have given this ep an A except for the fact it once again left the whole San Marcos thing up in the air - I mean 12 murders! - there would be such an all-out push to solve this and it just seems like no one is really all that interested - even buying knockoff purses takes precedence - however, Franka Potente more than balances things out - she's kind of like a female Vic in the way that Shane is now blindly following her around - I was getting kind of irritated in the flow of the this season's episodes too - some dialog, then a one-liner, more dialog, a one-liner and so on - like they knew we had a best line poll going over here and were workiing extra hard to get a laugh - and then there would be this overwrought last scene where some character got to do an Emmy audition - that scene with Ronnie and Vic was awesome as gspot71 said above - just Ronnie being so matter-of-fact and Vic not going overboard or anything - and it is so true what Ronnie said - Vic should have told him all along - what a great scene - went right into my top-ten - and it was cool that it was Shane that told Ronnie about Terry - I liked that too
and did I mention Franka Potente?
an A- from me
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Post by Strike Team 4 Life on May 23, 2007 17:46:01 GMT -5
Okay, let's assume it is The Wrath of the Math and look at the more interesting question: what the hell does it mean? Some possibilities: 1. Shane calculating how much he needs to collect so he can get out of Dodge by doing side work for the Armenian boss' daughter (while at the same time shaking down the thugs who ripped off the Russian hos in the Armenian-owned apartment--bad idea, Shane). 2. The developer friend of Ass-invader calculating how much $ he will need for his "exploratory committee" or redistricting to strengthen his chances of winning his next race? 3. The number of solved murders it will take to keep the Barn open now that the list has increased. 4. The amount of action the Salvadorans want from the Mexicans to protect their drug operation. 5. The number of overtime tricks the Russian Hos will have to work to get back the money lost to the thugs who robbed them. 6. The money saved by buying "high quality replicas" of knockoff designer purses while rich bitches put themselves in harm's way of thieves. Okay, this is the least likely. . . . ? Math= Aftermath?
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Post by forestwhitaker4prz on May 23, 2007 21:41:40 GMT -5
I give this episode an A. I thought last week's was a C and just as weak as "The New Guy." However, I thoroughly enjoyed this week's episode. I do agree that the purse storyline did get a little too much airtime, and could've been done without as much storyline while still getting it's point across. I was disappointed last week when Vic told Ronnie that Shane had killed Lem and the episode quickly moved on. I felt like they should've given Ronnie and that scene more of a moment. This episode is the most in depth the writers and director have asked David Rees Snell to go with Ronnie and I thought he was absolutely fantastic. Ronnie has always been a very reserved, and somewhat enigmatic character, with a dry sense of humor. To see his quiet intensity when confronting Shane and then to see his reserved, and matter-of-fact manner he confronted Vic about Terry I thought was perfect for Ronnie and the character we've grown to know and love over six seasons. If Ronnie had "thrown-down" or started screaming at Shane, I feel like it would've been out of character. We always praise Chiklis and Goggins for their acting, and I think Snell deserves some credit after "The Math of Wrath." Hiatt is really trying to get close to Vic. Either he respects the hell out of him, or there's something more there. Only two episodes left before I get depressed while waiting for another season of TS.
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Post by chemikalman on May 23, 2007 21:53:52 GMT -5
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Post by icy on May 24, 2007 21:13:25 GMT -5
I respect Hiatt for giving Vic the heads up about Claudette never intending on holding true to his retirement and leading him on. I think he made the decision to tell him that after:
1. Taking into consideration everything he has seen Vic do first hand. He respects him as a fellow officer and knows he does his job and deserves it.
2. Claudette took a threatening tone with Hiatt himself. She made him feel crappy about them losing track of the Fed. snitch and threatened him to a certain extent. That did not play well with him. When you start making everyone feel expendable such as Claudette is doing now since she is under pressure, those people are going to stay with the alliances they have worked closely with and trust.
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Post by badcop187 on May 24, 2007 21:30:11 GMT -5
I will give a B- Interesting episode. Just not alot of action. Instead of reiterating the above posts, I will just say once again, that all set up and no payoff once again. The pay off at the end of the season better be worth it. I hope there IS a payoff!!!
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on May 25, 2007 10:02:59 GMT -5
7. The number of times Shane will sleep with the Russian hos to help them make back their money.
8. The number of days it takes Ronnie to flip to Shane's side (I hope this doesn't happen).
9. The number of days Hiatt has left on the ST.
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Post by chemikalman on May 25, 2007 20:39:44 GMT -5
10. the number of deaths before the Bys-Lats / Salvadoran feud is over.
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Post by Nick Mills on May 28, 2007 12:28:20 GMT -5
The ending spoilt it for me. Absolute rubbish. All of the endings have had some sort of substance to them but this... uncertainty... was bizarre. The rest of the episode was a buildup, really, to this Russian mob boss' daughter and Shane, a cop kicked off the Strike Team whose now going to do what he can to get his money coming in. He's playing some very bad cards but all of them make for some great television. I give this a B just because the ending... eurgh.
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Post by anavarchus on May 28, 2007 19:00:02 GMT -5
Hello all. I have been lurking here for a while, catching up on everyone's opinions, and feel the need to voice a few of my own. I gave this episode a B, primarily because it sort of got back to what I think should be the point of this whole season...Lem's death. Is it just me, or has the show been skating around that topic?
Maybe this is being discussed in another forum, and if so, perhaps someone could point me in the right direction.
I personally (as a huge Lem fan) have been disappointed overall with how his death has been handled. After the amazing finale last season, I was waiting for some serious justice to be meted out. On a department level, no one seems concerned AT ALL with finding his killer...everyone's more interested in the San Marcos slaughter. Apparently, beating the crap out of some innocent Mexican is as far as Vic's anger went. Once again, Shane gets a pass...and Vic misses an opportunity to be done with him once and for all.
I was thrilled that Ronnie, at least, wants to be done with it as well. It seems his loyalty may be the strongest of all (I've also always been a Ronnie fan).
I do find it interesting that everyone is evolving into the very thing that they previously reviled: Claudette is becoming a self-serving bureaucrat who lies to cover her ass (just like Aceveda), Julien is realizing the hard realities of working on the strike team, and Hiatt is no longer the golden boy (but I doubt he ever really was...just managed to sell himself that way). And, most of all, Vic is crippled by indecision...not familiar territory for him.
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Post by electroshockblues on May 29, 2007 2:44:06 GMT -5
I was frustrated with this at first as well - if Vic was so willing to murder Guardo for killing Lem, then why wouldn't he execute Shane there and then?
Upon reflection though, I think it makes perfect sense. Vic's breakdown in 'The New Guy' shows that the relief and sense of resolution that he got by killing Guardo was temporary at best. He spends the whole episode telling Shane that everything's "done" because they got their revenge, but by the end of the episode that's clearly not the case. Vic knew that if he killed Shane it wouldn't solve anything for him. There's also the issue of Vic having difficulty coming to terms with Shane's likening of Lem's murder to Terry's.
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Post by ShootFirst on May 29, 2007 13:43:49 GMT -5
I was frustrated with this at first as well - if Vic was so willing to murder Guardo for killing Lem, then why wouldn't he execute Shane there and then? Upon reflection though, I think it makes perfect sense. Vic's breakdown in 'The New Guy' shows that the relief and sense of resolution that he got by killing Guardo was temporary at best. He spends the whole episode telling Shane that everything's "done" because they got their revenge, but by the end of the episode that's clearly not the case. Vic knew that if he killed Shane it wouldn't solve anything for him. There's also the issue of Vic having difficulty coming to terms with Shane's likening of Lem's murder to Terry's. I agree with you, Shock. Underlying with this is that if Shane "mysteriously" winds up dead and the truth comes out about him killing Lem, or the other way around, Vic doesn't want the obvious finger pointing at him....which he knows it will. He won't let it go and I believe Shane will get caught but Vic needs to figure out how to cover his own bases at the same time.
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