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Post by ShootFirst on Jun 20, 2006 8:01:59 GMT -5
I work in Adult Probation and absolutely love my job. We have a great relationship within our department and with local law enforcement and work with them well. The whole spectrum of law enforcement and the judicial system from investigation, prosecution, defense, the courts and supervision all are of great interest to me and I try to learn every day. One thing I don't do is try to equate myself to a cop. They are the ones that are putting their lives on the line each day and don't get enough credit and thanks as far as I'm concerned. Yes we have our roles and are confident in the fact that we look to make a positive difference but we aren't in "the field" every day. We do however make field visits to people's jobs and homes though. Our community is small compared to a big city but we aren't too far from a major metropolitan area. It's never boring I can tell you that though and each days teaches me something new.
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Post by Bad_Ass_Cop on Jun 20, 2006 9:37:24 GMT -5
I work in Adult Probation and absolutely love my job. We have a great relationship within our department and with local law enforcement and work with them well. The whole spectrum of law enforcement and the judicial system from investigation, prosecution, defense, the courts and supervision all are of great interest to me and I try to learn every day. One thing I don't do is try to equate myself to a cop. They are the ones that are putting their lives on the line each day and don't get enough credit and thanks as far as I'm concerned. Yes we have our roles and are confident in the fact that we look to make a positive difference but we aren't in "the field" every day. We do however make field visits to people's jobs and homes though. Our community is small compared to a big city but we aren't too far from a major metropolitan area. It's never boring I can tell you that though and each days teaches me something new. Welcome shootfirst. First of all, thank you. (coming from a police officer) second, your job can be just as equally dangerous because you are dealing with the same people that we deal with just at a different stage in their life. Just because they are on probation or parole doesn't mean that they aren't dangerous. how many of them are repeat offenders. what makes it dangerous for all of us is we (police officers, social workers, adult probation, parole officers, ect...) go to THEIR home, THEIR work, THEIR comfort zone. Be careful out there.
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Post by ShootFirst on Jun 20, 2006 11:11:39 GMT -5
Lots of first timers and quite a few repeat offenders as well. Only about 3 are guilty though...at least according to them. So true about not knowing what's out there when in the field. When we are though, objective number one above all else is--go home at the end of the day.
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Post by chemikalman on Jun 20, 2006 15:16:53 GMT -5
I work in Adult Probation and absolutely love my job. We have a great relationship within our department and with local law enforcement and work with them well. The whole spectrum of law enforcement and the judicial system from investigation, prosecution, defense, the courts and supervision all are of great interest to me and I try to learn every day. One thing I don't do is try to equate myself to a cop. They are the ones that are putting their lives on the line each day and don't get enough credit and thanks as far as I'm concerned. Yes we have our roles and are confident in the fact that we look to make a positive difference but we aren't in "the field" every day. We do however make field visits to people's jobs and homes though. Our community is small compared to a big city but we aren't too far from a major metropolitan area. It's never boring I can tell you that though and each days teaches me something new. Welcome shootfirst. First of all, thank you. (coming from a police officer) second, your job can be just as equally dangerous because you are dealing with the same people that we deal with just at a different stage in their life. Just because they are on probation or parole doesn't mean that they aren't dangerous. how many of them are repeat offenders. what makes it dangerous for all of us is we (police officers, social workers, adult probation, parole officers, ect...) go to THEIR home, THEIR work, THEIR comfort zone. Be careful out there. This is interesting. I was under the impression (from TV) that it was up to ex-cons to make visits to their P.O. I'd like to learn more, such as the circumstances under which you go to their place, the ratio of home visits to office visits, the % of success stories (those who learned their lessons by doing time, followed thru on probation, and went on to get jobs and stay out of trouble). I did one night in jail a long, long time ago (Los Gatos County jail in Northern CA) and it might have been one of the most interesting and educational experiences I have ever had.
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Post by ShootFirst on Jun 20, 2006 15:52:22 GMT -5
You are probably thinking of parole, which is post incarceration as opposed to probation, in place of incarceration. While I do have quite a few felonies, I have mostly misdemeanor cases. Lots of DWI, hot check, possession charges. Everyone reports at least once a month and people at a certain risk level get a field visit usually once every 90 days or so, could be fewer could be less depending on how much they are complying. Most get their conditions met. Effort goes a long way. If someone is having trouble financially but is trying like hell, it shows. If they show no desire to comply and don't care if they go back to jail, I'll gladly oblige them. I tell everyone on my caseload that it is only as hard as they make it. I'd like to not have to revoke anyone but have no problem doing so when it's needed. The piss tests are random. The excuses for positive testing can get quite hilarious, as the reasons for not being able to go to the bathroom. Hope this helps answer some of your questions.
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Post by chemikalman on Jun 20, 2006 16:06:30 GMT -5
You're right, I was thinking of parole -- oops. Still, going to anyone's place who's been in trouble can be like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates.
And yeah if they don't want to help themselves, it sounds like they are headed for the same type of education that I received. Maybe THAT would do the trick?
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Post by finngirl on Jul 29, 2006 4:05:52 GMT -5
there were 2 shootings w/in a few days last year in SoCal that got some bad press ... can't remember now where it was, near Long Beach maybe?
the second one was a homeless individual who wouldn't comply & became menacing, I think he was swinging a length of chain, if that rings a bell ... so he got waxed
it was all over the news: poor judgment yada yada yada
so I googled & got the phone # in the district there ... said: I have a comment re the shootings this week
guarded response: yes?
I just want to say that I don't think you shoot enough people, often enough ... & I think I speak for a lot of citizens when I say that. it's way easy to be an armchair quarterback after the play's been made
she busted up, said: can you hold while I transfer you?
got cold-transferred to a sargeant who didn't know my intent, same guarded response at first ... then he nearly split a gut laughing when I said my piece
he laughed so hard he nearly started choking ... said: you made my night, can I share this at roll call?
I said: be my guest
he said: is this a local call? nah, I'm in Utah now but I used to live down there. I think I'll follow this up w/ an email, who do I contact?
he gave me the name & told me how to find the addy on their site ... then we shot the breeze for awhile about SoCal in the old days, both of us being natives & growing up there
it was a very nice experience & I can still hear him laughing
I bet they'd had numerous calls bitching them out so I was glad to represent the "other side"
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Post by chemikalman on Jul 29, 2006 8:33:46 GMT -5
That was a funny story, finngirl. I would shot him in the legs or something like that, but they probably did the guy a favor.
I just posted in the rant thread. The subject of Law and Order came up and your post reminded me of a great ep: it was about the homeless and mentally ill guy who terrorized the normal citizenry who lived near the alley he called 'home." One guy finally flipped out after the homeless guy pushed his kid in front of a moving car, so he beat the bejeezus out of him with a reebar while he was sleeping and left him for dead. They put the citizen on trial and the court deliberations were quite interesting. In the end, the citizen was acquitted. In the closing scene the ADAs are discussing the case and why the jury acquitted. One ADA said the public's biggest fear is that they have the capacity to do what the citizen did (or something like that). Another said, no, their biggest fear is that someone like this homeless guy would move into their neighborhood. Touche.
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Post by jwc53531 on Jul 29, 2006 10:43:32 GMT -5
no, it's not a funny story at all - police in SoCal in particular have been completely irresponsible in the manner they handle these types of cases and have numerous civil suits pending against them for killing and wounding citizens who may be threatening but certainly not to degree that warrants being shot and killed - law enforcement officers are equipped with a wide range of non-lethal weapons designed specifically to disarm idiots like the one mentioned in Finngirl's story not to mention they seem to never shoot to disarm (like in the leg) - and yet they just continue to shoot at will - the story about the Air Force member who was shot numerous times (fortunately not fatally) while clearly obeying the orders of the officer during a traffic stop is typical of the 'cowboy' (and often racist, bigoted) mentality that pervades the Southland law enforcement agencies - the LA Times just did a huge series of stories on this type of thinking and the often tragic events that result - the 'us' versus 'them' mind set is so ingrained as SOP that officers automatically reach for their sidearms without even considering they have these nonlethal alternatives in their cars - the response Finngirl received is not unsurprising to me in the least
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Post by chemikalman on Jul 29, 2006 11:31:50 GMT -5
I meant her story about the phone call, not the shooting. As I said, I would have shot to disarm. The homeless guy was clearly a mental case.
I remember the story about the Air Force guy. He was Hispanic as I recall. But the race question (at least the usual one) went out the window because the cop is black, if I recall correctly. That story if true was extremely disturbing. I'd be curious to find out if there was further investigation and what it revealed. Do you know, jwc?
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Post by jwc53531 on Jul 29, 2006 13:16:37 GMT -5
I know you meant the phone call, Chem - didn't mean to imply otherwise - actually Black v Hispanic 'racism' (and vice-versa) is far more common than White/Black or White/Hispanic - I only know this because my old thesis chair specializes in this type of demographic research - it's interesting there is actually a value to describle this sort of thing (the 'D' score - it measures discrimination between different ethnic groups - Blacks, in general, are the most discriminated against by every other group, especially Asians
last I heard, the cop in question was fired (pending an appeal by the union) and the Department (it wasn't LAPD though - some smaller municipality I think) is facing a massive civil suuit
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Post by striketeamwashere on Jul 29, 2006 13:36:25 GMT -5
Isn't LA on the leading edge of all the new non-leathal options cops have? I would think they would be kind of excited to get to try something new.
I had a friend who got tazed one night after getting pulled over. He said he didn't deserve it, but I know what he is like after a night of drinking. I'm sure it was warrented.
I think if I had the choice I would want the tazer. Rubber bullets half to hurt beyond belief. Then the pepper balls comming out of paintball guns I wouldn't mind the getting shot, I used to paintball all the time they dont hurt that bad, it would be the pepper shit inside I would hate.
The most unique one I saw on a modern marvels was something the military was testing. A giant silly string like thing is the best way I can describe it, but just makes moving not possible when you have it on you.
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Post by tekilabmx on Sept 1, 2006 12:14:40 GMT -5
I a Loss Prevention Officer for JCPenney. Im kinda of a ren a cop haha. im a undercover LP, which means i check out customers at my store and when they steal i get to arrest them and slap the cuffs on them ;D and i LOVE it when they run ehhehe
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Post by striketeamwashere on Sept 1, 2006 13:59:50 GMT -5
I love how security guards are called Loss Prevention Officers now. At the store I work at the first day I got to go to the security room(Which looked like a Vegas one just smaller) and the guy kept calling him self a LPO instead of a Secuirty Guard.
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Post by tekilabmx on Sept 14, 2006 10:34:51 GMT -5
thats because we are technically not security guards. you see, security guards wear uniforms, and they are there to control unplesant situations. LPs in the other hand, are there to prevent the company from losing money, by conducting audtis, safety stuff, filling out accident reports and the most fun thing is catching shoplifters. so yeah, being LP is way bettter than being security guard, and it is definetly something different... ;D
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Sept 21, 2006 10:18:32 GMT -5
My brother is a cop. In order to carry Mace or a tazer gun, you have to experience the effects of either. I've gotten Maced before and am now licensed to carry the good stuff, not that cheesy Wal-Mart knock off Mace. I'm not that brave to experience getting tazed. I'll leave that one up to him. He said it hurt bad too.
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Post by tsarina on Oct 6, 2006 15:29:33 GMT -5
My paternal uncle Paul is a cop, was lieutenant of all the B&W cars in Des Moines for a long time. At least as far as I know...my father's a fireman/EMT.
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Post by anothershieldfan on Mar 29, 2007 23:34:52 GMT -5
I know a lot of cops does that count? A few of my buddies I grew up are on the force. That's about it.
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Post by danimal12483 on Feb 28, 2008 21:04:46 GMT -5
I WISH!!!!
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Post by lapd187 on Mar 3, 2008 5:08:58 GMT -5
First of all in 6 months i will be putting in my app to lapd witch should be a lock since i know some officers that will recomend me. second in lapd you shoot to kill you dont shoot to "disarm" that can get you killed infact if an IA cop can prove that you shot to "disarm" you get in trouble that could mean your badge and im like mackey when i get my badge NO ONE is going to take it from me untill i retire but im also not going to be a "BAD" cop. Third a LP is there for one reason and one reason only and that is to make sure the people that work at the store doesnt steal not the costomer lps are like IA cops everyone that works in the stores hate them
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