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Post by qb on Mar 24, 2006 14:05:42 GMT -5
My opinion about that episode: It was really shoking. I already feared that Lem's going to die in that episode... but that Shane killed him is just... wrong! I firsty couldn't believe what happened. I had to watch the scene again. Firstly didn't recognize the granade as granade. Then, I started to cry hearing Lem whispering softly "Shane...", after getting his favorite sandwich, of which he wasn't able to even have one bite, and saw how he blowed up. After Vic and the rest of the former Strike Team arrived at the "crime scene" and it was absolutly clear that he's dead, I started to cry my eyes out. I still couldn't believe it. I didn't wanted to, tried to deny it. Just after I rewatched the episod with my dad, I couldn't deny it anymore... HE IS DEAD - Lemonhead won't be at THE SHIELD anymore. It still makes me sick. When I rewatch the old episodes, I see Shane with different eyes now - just as Lem. They seem to be best friens in so many episodes... But a best friend couldn't kill his "buddy" (as Shane called him) on such a cruel way - not at all! I mean, I can understand Shane on a way... It worked on Terry, too. But Terry was a rat, but even though I felt sorry for him! But the point is, Lem wasn't just a new guy who was bearly known and wanted to betray his team, his FAMILY. He was reliable. And loyal till death! I'm really sad and upset. The Shield won't be the same anymore, not the way it used to be! Hey, Lemonhead...wish I could reach across the world and give you a big hug! I am glad to see some boys cried about it, too. I feel exactly the way you do. I'll still love this series--but to be really honest--just a little bit less now. And it'll never feel the same to me either.
As my grief wears off, I feel a lot more anger toward the writers. This was such a mean thing to do to us. I don't care if it was just for shock-value and attention and ratings for S06. Not only did Lem deserve better, SO DID WE!!! Damn it, Shawn Ryan!
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 24, 2006 14:10:55 GMT -5
If this is the last season then I agree with someone earlier who said that they should all go their seperate ways and Vic's punishment should be that he has to live everyday with the decisions that he made. Thanks..that was me And by the way, Zak Wylde rules... ;D
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Post by personacom on Mar 24, 2006 14:32:56 GMT -5
[/quote] Hey, Lemonhead...wish I could reach across the world and give you a big hug! I am glad to see some boys cried about it, too. I feel exactly the way you do. I'll still love this series--but to be really honest--just a little bit less now. And it'll never feel the same to me either.
As my grief wears off, I feel a lot more anger toward the writers. This was such a mean thing to do to us. I don't care if it was just for shock-value and attention and ratings for S06. Not only did Lem deserve better, SO DID WE!!! Damn it, Shawn Ryan! [/quote] --It's funny. I thought Lem was one of the better "drawn" characters in the series and I liked him, but I feel no anger toward the writers. They did just what I have always expected them to do...write great TV without compromise. They didn't do it for shock value... they reached way back into writing history and followed the lines of a great Greek tragedy. Lem's death has much more impact on the main character (Vic) than having something happen directly to Vic. "Only the Good Die Young" comes to mind. It is a damn shame that the one person with a strong conscience pays the price. But that is how it often is in real life. This tragedy was also important in furthering the development of Shane's character. Shane continues to apply the things Vic taught him, yet he often does so without thinking things through. He thinks he posesses all of the skills Vic has, yet he is a second-stringer at best. Conscience is a killer...both Vic and Shane have so much weighing them down now...it will be interesting to see where it leads them. So, I am really sad they killed Kenny (those bastards!)..and I too, watched and felt sick as it happened. I also rewatched the scene with a greater appreciation for the acting..and still felt sick. But, I rejoice in the fact that after 5 seasons, the writers still have it! They have continued to write complex, engaging and unpredictable (mostly) stories that move us. I love this show more than ever and am saddened that it appears 10 more episodes is all we have to look forward to. PC
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Post by lemonhead on Mar 24, 2006 14:49:50 GMT -5
I just read someone writing early about Lem's car and how old it was. Someone else wrote that he regonized the quote of Shane, that Lem should take his last chance by going to Mexico and Vic saying in the season 3 finale that Shane should take his last chance by walking away from him. I found another connection. Lem drove the same car last episode as he did when he drove away from the strike team back then. I'm pretty sure at least!
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Post by eddiekaay on Mar 24, 2006 14:58:27 GMT -5
Wow.
The writers & cast must be so happy to get this kind of response.
It's a testament to the integrity of their work that people CARE so much. This is the very reason why so many people watch Law & Order -- there's no risk involved. It's gonna be the same people every week.
The writers and especially Kenny have to be tickled pink.
Last time I saw a show with balls this big was when they killed Jack's wife on 24.
I know a certain young lady on this site is swearing she won't watch the DVDs cuz of this...
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Post by lynch345 on Mar 25, 2006 21:31:12 GMT -5
Opening soon in the Farmington District: SHANE'S DINER Come for the sandwich... Stay for the grenade
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Post by I Adore Ronnie on Mar 25, 2006 21:53:46 GMT -5
^ Aw. It got a chuckle from me but so mean, lol.
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Post by lynch345 on Mar 25, 2006 23:38:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was appropriate, but I figured "Why not?"
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 26, 2006 0:18:09 GMT -5
Our member, lemonhead's signature pic is hard to read, but it says "Offer a sandwich, serve a grenade." Could be an ad for Shane's Diner .... IAR - that pic is sick yet I can't not look.
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Post by dtpollitt on Mar 26, 2006 2:42:42 GMT -5
Opening soon in the Farmington District: SHANE'S DINER Come for the sandwich... Stay for the grenade
THAT'S FUNNY!!
But sad, too.
--Dan
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Post by electroshockblues on Mar 26, 2006 4:18:12 GMT -5
I agree totally - it was definitely brilliant writing for Shane to kill Lem.
Everyone knew that Vic had to suffer for Terry's murder, but I never expected it to happen this way. The way that Vic and Shane's conversation about killing Terry and "protecting the team" led to Shane thinking that killing Lem was the best thing to do was incredible.
I also think that it casts a new light on the final moments of S4, where Shane and Lem are play-fighting on the pool table and the IAD guy is lurking in the background menacingly.
Another thing that I loved about this episode is how vulnerable and frantic Vic seemed, especially in the conversation with Shane where he admits that the fact that Lem's life is ruined is his fault and his and when he talks to Aceveda ("I'm running out of later"). Vic has always managed to stay on top of things - even Lem burning the money barely broke his stride - but this time he really seemed weak and inneffectual.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 26, 2006 13:41:54 GMT -5
I first was annoyed by Tina crying, but then I was glad she did, I think she was expressing out loud what everyone was feeling inside. I liked how for a moment while everyone was just standing there in shock, all you could hear was her wailing. I agree with you completely on this.
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Post by susieshield on Mar 26, 2006 23:44:58 GMT -5
Ok, so I watched it again- tonight. So y'all help me to clarify, but did I see a some-kind-of-nod-that-spoke-volumes-along-the-line-as-it-has-to-be-done-kind-of-look from Vic to Shane as they left the barn to go meet Lem? It sure did strike me as if, *the plan is on* kind of eye contact/nod.......
Maybe Vic is in on it- Not that I want him to be... cause, I confess: I'm Susie. I'm a VicEnabler.
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 28, 2006 21:34:41 GMT -5
we'd have to be involved in Vic's life to be enablers...I think we're Vic "apologists"
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Post by stovetop on Apr 9, 2006 11:11:28 GMT -5
Life will never be the same without you Lem.
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Post by shieldaddict on Apr 9, 2006 12:03:59 GMT -5
I just read someone writing early about Lem's car and how old it was. Someone else wrote that he regonized the quote of Shane, that Lem should take his last chance by going to Mexico and Vic saying in the season 3 finale that Shane should take his last chance by walking away from him. I found another connection. Lem drove the same car last episode as he did when he drove away from the strike team back then. I'm pretty sure at least! . I think Lem Drove off in a Truck in the Season 3 finale , as he did at the end of episode 2 "the Enemy of Good" this season after his tussel w/Vic. At the end of the Season 5 finale he drove following Shane in a Ford type car. Where did he get this vehicle?? rented?
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Post by electroshockblues on Apr 14, 2006 4:41:06 GMT -5
One thing I noticed after watching this episode again is that there's a definite (if not intentional) pattern to how seasons of 'The Shield' end.
Season 1: Vic is safe from implication in the murder of the kid Gilroy killed but at great personal cost, as Corrine takes the kids and goes on the run. The season ends with the emotional scene of Vic's break down.
Season 2: Things end well for Vic, as the money train heist is successful. However, he is also blissfully unaware of the fact that the money is marked and that it will cause lots of trouble for the team. The final shot of the strike team looking at the money illustrates both a 'happy' ending for Vic and the team, but also a sense of foreboding as the team look somewhat unnerved, thinking that they're in too deep.
Season 3: Vic and the team are safe from both the treasury department's investigation and Margos' wrath but at great personal cost, as the Strike Team split and have lost all of their money train cash. The season ends with the emotional climax of Vic and Shane's argument.
Season 4: As in Season 2, thing end well for Vic as Antwon is in prison and the Strike Team have overcome their differences. Similarly to Season 2 again, Vic is blissfully unaware of IAD and the evidence that they have against Lem. The final shot is of Vic smilling and laughing at Lem and Shane's play-fighting whilst the IAD guy lurks in the background, which achieves a similar effect to the ending of S2.
Season 5: As in Seasons 1 and 3, Vic is again safe (for the moment) from IAD's investigation, as Lem's death has effectively sealed it off. Likewise, there is a great personal cost to Vic as Lem is dead. The final scene is, again, emotional.
Just thought I'd point it out and ask if anyone else has noticed this.
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Post by -|E|- on Apr 14, 2006 6:53:50 GMT -5
Thanks for posting -- very insightful! I hadn't picked up on the pattern, but you're definitely right....
This episode changed the way I feel about this show. Not neccessarily in a negative way; just.... I just feel differently now. Like a rude awakening from a bittersweet dream... in that first moment, you're not sure what's real -- and in the next moment you're struggling to remember the dream.. I'm still in shock and awe I guess.
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Post by oksamionay on Apr 18, 2006 4:55:11 GMT -5
Apologies if this angle has been brought up before, but here goes - Vic was talking to Shane about how he killed Terry. Vic said that he did it off of his own bat so to speak - to look after the Team. I think Shane took this to heart, and when Lem decided that he would *not* go to Mexico, Shane thought he could repay his debt to Vic by, himself, taking out a threat to the Team. As Vic did not consult the Team before taking out Terry, so Shane did not consult when he decided to take out Lem. I got the impression that he was waiting for Vic to say thank god Lem was dead - but when he vowed to kill Lem's Killer. WOW! I think Shane is really bricking it. Can't wait for Season 5 ½ !
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Post by qb on Apr 18, 2006 9:19:53 GMT -5
Apologies if this angle has been brought up before, but here goes - Vic was talking to Shane about how he killed Terry. Vic said that he did it off of his own bat so to speak - to look after the Team. I think Shane took this to heart, and when Lem decided that he would *not* go to Mexico, Shane thought he could repay his debt to Vic by, himself, taking out a threat to the Team. As Vic did not consult the Team before taking out Terry, so Shane did not consult when he decided to take out Lem. I got the impression that he was waiting for Vic to say thank god Lem was dead - but when he vowed to kill Lem's Killer. WOW! I think Shane is really bricking it. Can't wait for Season 5 ½ ! Interesting correlation! The operative word here is PAYBACK. Wow, I cannot even imagine how the next "season" will go!! If they can make Shane kill Lem you gotta know ANYthing can happen
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