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Post by Cletus Van Damme on Mar 23, 2006 2:30:17 GMT -5
Because people dont usually drive around with grenades in their cars, Shane -at the very least- had the backup plan of killing Lem allready in his mind. Sure, he couldnt know if he would be tailed, but he had plan B ready, you can count on that.
Funnily, Kavanaugh has given Vic and iron-clad alibi. Once the time of death is determined, Vic will be ruled out, since Kavanaugh was tailing him.
I wonder if Aceveda and/or Kavanaugh is ever going to think "This is my fault. I fed information to a guy I know is a cop killer about his friend turning rat."
So, while Shane's actions are his own responsibility, Kavanaugh and Aceveda -with their conniving and scheming- certainly helped put Shane and Lem in this position.
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Post by Cletus Van Damme on Mar 23, 2006 2:34:56 GMT -5
Oh and one more thing. Claudette, for all her bullshit morality high horse, when faced with a tough decision, decided to keep Tina (an incompetent and potentially dangerous cop) on so that Dutch wouldnt get in hot water.
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Post by novat on Mar 23, 2006 5:57:16 GMT -5
On a lighter note Dutch gettin his hand burned was pretty hillarious! that one goes up there with "Like the wolf"
anyone also remember the part where Lem wanted to take care of the children in the trailer park yet couldn't becuase he is a fugiive, that scene was so symbolic for me on how Lem always want to do the right things yet he is always in a situation where he can't...the dramatic irony
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Post by fanatic1950 on Mar 23, 2006 8:31:58 GMT -5
Danny- Vic is definetly the father. Anyone else notice that Danny named her kid Lee, and Shanes baby is name Jackson(and Shane said he was names after Stonewall Jackson) So that mean there is a Lee as in Robert E. Lee and Jacksons as in Stonewall Jackson, two generals on opposite sides of the civil war. I thought that was interesting if the writers meant for that to happen or it was just a concidence. Not to nitpick but Robert E Lee and Stonewall Jackson were on the same side in the war. The south shall rise agin y'all
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 23, 2006 10:16:51 GMT -5
You're exactly right; on both points. DID YOU KNOW?? Stonewall Jackson was born here in WV. Well, OK - it was still VA when he was born, but we don't hold that against him. hahaa We were made a state in 1863 for reasons that really have nothing to do with the Civil War; that was a convenient excuse for President Lincoln to sign the paperwork. Typically, a section of a state cannot separate itself without the permission of the government of said state. No way would VA ever agree to such a thing, so Lincoln just granted us statehood anyway and claimed it was a necessity of war. Whatever, man. We were just tired of being ignored over here. While folks in Richmond were flaunting their latest powdered wigs and horse carriages, we were fighting for our lives living on the wild frontier -- and getting no assistance. The physical barrier of the Blue Ridge Mountains prevented communication and supplies from reaching us and we just wanted to govern ourselves over here. LOL I say "we" and "us" like I was there or something! Well, my genes were there; I have both Yankee and Rebel blood coursing through me. Ummmmmm, OK -- thanks for attending WV History 101. Now back to your regularly scheduled episode discussion.....
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Post by striketeamwashere on Mar 23, 2006 12:05:55 GMT -5
My bad, i guess i was thinking of Grant, not Lee, I am ashamed now, because i like to think i am somewhat of a history buff.
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Post by bobloblaw on Mar 23, 2006 13:50:08 GMT -5
I watched the last 30 mins or so again last night and the grenade scene affected me WAY more the second time around. I mus have just been in shock when I saw it Tuesday night. Goggins was so great in this scene. The tears were flowing.
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Post by oski on Mar 23, 2006 15:05:19 GMT -5
I watched it twice today and I feel absolutely shattered, both physically and mentally, a really powerful peice of television to say the least. I just cant get that scene out of my head with Shane giving Lem the sandwich and Lem looking so happy "thanks man, my favourite, buddy", and Shane gives him a nod as if to say "no problem", then the metallic "ping" of the pin being pulled etc.... I am thoroughly depressed now, especially knowing we have a long wait to find out what happens next.
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Post by Cletus Van Damme on Mar 23, 2006 15:07:30 GMT -5
I watched the last 30 mins or so again last night and the grenade scene affected me WAY more the second time around. I mus have just been in shock when I saw it Tuesday night. Goggins was so great in this scene. The tears were flowing. I watched it twice today and I feel absolutely shattered, both physically and mentally, a really powerful peice of television to say the least. I just cant get that scene out of my head with Shane giving Lem the sandwich and Lem looking so happy "thanks man, my favourite, buddy", and Shane gives him a nod as if to say "no problem", then the metallic "ping" of the pin being pulled etc.... I am thoroughly depressed now, especially knowing we have a long wait to find out what happens next. I still cant bear to watch that scene with Shane and Lem again. I've rewatched the entire episode, but when it gets to that point I forward it. It's a heartbreaking scene, particularly becuase Shane didnt do it with a cold heart (like Vic killed Terry), he was hurting big time. That's not to excuse Shane, I'm just saying that his inner conflict made the scene much more dramatic, than if he had killed Lem in cold blood. I still think that when Aceveda told Vic that "Lemansky is talking" and "shut your boy up" (or words to that effect), that he was treading dangerous waters. It seems odd that Kavanaugh and Aceveda, while constantly thinking the worst of Vic and the ST, never appear to have considered the fact that making Lem out to be a rat could possibly endanger his safety. Damn them...
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Post by bobloblaw on Mar 23, 2006 15:38:09 GMT -5
Shane keeps calling him buddy and saying he's sorry. Absolutely brutal.
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Post by oski on Mar 23, 2006 17:26:03 GMT -5
I still think that when Aceveda told Vic that "Lemansky is talking" and "shut your boy up" (or words to that effect), that he was treading dangerous waters. It seems odd that Kavanaugh and Aceveda, while constantly thinking the worst of Vic and the ST, never appear to have considered the fact that making Lem out to be a rat could possibly endanger his safety. Damn them... Yes, those two have to suffer for that, aceveda deserves everything that is (hopefully) coming to him and Kavanaugh just seems to be going off the rails, he wants Vic so bad he doesn't care who gets in the way
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Post by Scartissue on Mar 23, 2006 17:47:31 GMT -5
^^^ I also think Kav will feel bad about it. You could tell in "of mice and Lem" that Kav really started to like Lem and almost felt bad for putting him in the situation where he would have to go to jail. I think that handshake meant something.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Mar 23, 2006 20:18:18 GMT -5
^^^ I also think Kav will feel bad about it. You could tell in "of mice and Lem" that Kav really started to like Lem and almost felt bad for putting him in the situation where he would have to go to jail. I think that handshake meant something. Yeah right! That handshake was bullshit! He gives Lem this talk about respecting him, meanwhile, he's shaking down Antwon Mitchell to ensure Lem's assassination in jail.... Kavanaugh is just pissed because now that Lem is dead, he can't use Lem's life to threaten Vic anymore....
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Post by mackdaddy on Mar 23, 2006 21:44:05 GMT -5
It sucks that Lem had to die over all of this. It will haunt the ST for the duration. Kavanaugh should be the one to die. Vic is gonna put it on him and hopefully find evidence to prove the deal with Kav and Antwon. Maybe when Antwon finds out about Lem, Vic can strike a deal to get Kav, and Mitchell can have the run of the prisons again, or maybe he is out of the picture now. As for Assinvader, his day better come soon, he's been playing people for too long. Where's the picture and the whore he was banging. Can't wait for the rest. Mackey will rule!
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Post by qb on Mar 23, 2006 22:13:35 GMT -5
I am wondering... if the next season does start with a funeral, who will be there? Does Lem even have any blood family?
And what if Danny's kid *is* Lem's and she finds out what Shane did?? Vic might not be the one who gives Teef-Cracker what he deserves!!
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Post by Dead Armenian on Mar 23, 2006 23:16:52 GMT -5
Funnily, Kavanaugh has given Vic and iron-clad alibi. Once the time of death is determined, Vic will be ruled out, since Kavanaugh was tailing him. Very good point...covers Ronnie, too...wonder if that opens a door of suspicion on Shane?
My other thought is that Emolia's kid is faking the whole developmental problem thing and is actually a criminal mastermind behind all this, setting up the Strike Team to take the fall...oh, wait, that was The Usual Suspects. My bad.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 23, 2006 23:26:54 GMT -5
And what if Danny's kid *is* Lem's and she finds out what Shane did?? Vic might not be the one who gives Teef-Cracker what he deserves!!Now that would be a stretch considering there was no indication whatsoever of Lem having anything going on with Danny in the past ... at least not that I can remember. And Danny didn't seem the "type" to sleep around. She had feelings for Vic. And some history.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 23, 2006 23:46:36 GMT -5
I'm with y'all. Holy blippityblippity Crap. All my predictions were wrong. and the spoiler was wrong- Thank God. I learned my lesson about reading them. Never again. Well, praise the Most High, we have a sister who has seen the light and repented! I'm with ya on this, too. She gets an MBA and then decides to become an MBA (More Better Ass)? Vic not being the daddy would be a bigger upset than a 16 seed beating a 1 in March Madness (had to plug the tournament if no one else was gonna). All Lem had to say was "okay, I'll go to Mexico for a while and groove on burritos and beer." Now if they had burritos like El Tepeyac's in East LA (you tried 'em yet, jwc?), Lem would already be on his way.
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Post by oops28 on Mar 24, 2006 10:26:36 GMT -5
I am wondering... if the next season does start with a funeral, who will be there? Does Lem even have any blood family? The only mention I can recall about Lem's family was when they were trying to bail him out of jail & I believe it was Ronnie who said Lem's parents were "poor trailer trash" & couldn't help out.
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Post by lemonhead on Mar 24, 2006 13:44:13 GMT -5
My opinion about that episode: It was really shoking. I already feared that Lem's going to die in that episode... but that Shane killed him is just... wrong! I firsty couldn't believe what happened. I had to watch the scene again. Firstly didn't recognize the granade as granade. Then, I started to cry hearing Lem whispering softly "Shane...", after getting his favorite sandwich, of which he wasn't able to even have one bite, and saw how he blowed up. After Vic and the rest of the former Strike Team arrived at the "crime scene" and it was absolutly clear that he's dead, I started to cry my eyes out. I still couldn't believe it. I didn't wanted to, tried to deny it. Just after I rewatched the episod with my dad, I couldn't deny it anymore... HE IS DEAD - Lemonhead won't be at THE SHIELD anymore. It still makes me sick. When I rewatch the old episodes, I see Shane with different eyes now - just as Lem. They seem to be best friens in so many episodes... But a best friend couldn't kill his "buddy" (as Shane called him) on such a cruel way - not at all! I mean, I can understand Shane on a way... It worked on Terry, too. But Terry was a rat, but even though I felt sorry for him! But the point is, Lem wasn't just a new guy who was bearly known and wanted to betray his team, his FAMILY. He was reliable. And loyal till death! I'm really sad and upset. The Shield won't be the same anymore, not the way it used to be!
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