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Post by susieshield on Mar 21, 2006 23:52:53 GMT -5
I'm with y'all. Holy blippityblippity Crap.
All my predictions were wrong. and the spoiler was wrong- Thank God. I learned my lesson about reading them. Never again.
And No. I can't feel that Vic knew this was going down. Not sure if I don't *wanna* believe it or if it didn't look like he knew..... I'm also a Vic Enabler.
But it sure does leave a yucky yucky yucky taste in my mouth. I had to rate this ep a B. I wasn't sitting on edge like I was last week- and the secondary storylines were boring... an educated century hooker and her boyfriend pimp?
As for Danni's baby... guess we'll have to wait til that baby grows up and asks, huh?!?! From the looks of Danni really watching Vic interact with Lee... sure had me wanting to say Vic is the one!
Anyways, gotta watch it again. Anxious to read y'alls thoughts. But I really feel yucky about it all. That damn Shane.
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Post by sykopath on Mar 21, 2006 23:56:25 GMT -5
I just don't know what this means for Season 6. Since Kav and his boys were tailing Vic, I think that pretty much clears them of being anywhere near Lem. Theoretically speaking, they should be safe from IAD's clutches now. Also, I'm pretty sure that at least Vic will find out the truth about Shane murdering Lem. No one gets away with anything on this show. NO ONE. (I'm thinking hard here trying to remember). I'd also guess that Becca will come after Vic pretty damn hard armed with the info she has.
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Post by cozmo236 on Mar 21, 2006 23:58:13 GMT -5
I just can't help but think of this quote from Vic about Lem talking - "Lem starts talking, it puts teeth in an otherwise empty rumor." He was talking about Terry's murder. Now maybe I'm wrong and Vic had nothing to do with it. I just really don't think that he and Shane would ever leave anything to chance regarding Terry's murder. It could mean the death penalty for them. Also look at the money train. People did get killed during that. Do you really think that Vic is above killing to protect himself from going down for murder? On the other hand if Vic didn't know about it at all this could really lead to some interesting action between Vic and Shane. Both of them have now themselves killed fellow cops to protect "the team". That is starting to lose meaning in my opinion. If you have to start killing off core members of your team to protect the team itself then something is wrong. Unfortunately there's a good bit of time to find out how this all plays out, too much time in my opinion.
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Post by heatseekingdennis on Mar 21, 2006 23:59:06 GMT -5
I gave it a B because Lem getting blown up changes the whole show in my opinion. That could be good, it could be bad... we'll see.
Also, the 90 minute shows never seem to have the right pacing to me. It seemed more like they needed the extra time to show more ads for Thief.
Also, they never said it explicitly... Vic is Danny's baby's daddy, right?
I also liked Dutch learning from the pimp. "Dutchman's got a plan!" Indeed.
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Post by Ronnie Gardocki on Mar 22, 2006 0:00:14 GMT -5
The real genius of this episode and as a season finale in general is how EVERYTHING ties to Shane and his screw-ups dating all the way back to Season 4. To keep Shane from going to prison, Lem stole a brick of tar. IAD clutched him because of that tar. He was willing to turn himself in to SAVE Shane once again, and what happens? He dies, by Shane's hands.
Pure genius. TV shows do NOT get better than this.
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Post by vicsavage on Mar 22, 2006 0:03:03 GMT -5
I just can't help but think of this quote from Vic about Lem talking - "Lem starts talking, it puts teeth in an otherwise empty rumor." He was talking about Terry's murder. Now maybe I'm wrong and Vic had nothing to do with it. I just really don't think that he and Shane would ever leave anything to chance regarding Terry's murder. I took that exchange as to where Shane got the conviction to do what he did. Talking to Vic reinforced his opinion that if Lem wasn't willing to go to Mexico he needed to be taken care of, one way or another. I bet that'll be brought up when Vic inevitably finds out about Shane's wrongdoing.
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Post by badcop187 on Mar 22, 2006 0:05:04 GMT -5
I am sad. But an A+ show!!! The worst part was watching lem still alive after the blast, calling out shanes name. THen at the very end, VIc saying were going to find who did this and kill them. VIc definetly did not know.
I knew shane was going to kill lem after they got alone and did not call vic about the meeting spot. Shane decided to do it after lem woudl not go to mexico. Shane was protecting him and Vic. I know why he did it, Lem talking abou the $ train would have been bad for all involved.
GREAT SHOW, even though I am so so so so sad.
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Post by heatseekingdennis on Mar 22, 2006 0:05:33 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Shane thought this up on his own. But I bet anything that when Vic finds out, Shane says "I thought this was what you wanted."
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Post by cozmo236 on Mar 22, 2006 0:05:58 GMT -5
The real genius of this episode and as a season finale in general is how EVERYTHING ties to Shane and his screw-ups dating all the way back to Season 4. To keep Shane from going to prison, Lem stole a brick of tar. IAD clutched him because of that tar. He was willing to turn himself in to SAVE Shane once again, and what happens? He dies, by Shane's hands. Pure genius. TV shows do NOT get better than this. Ronnie, you are right that everything does tie to Shane. However, taking a look at the big picture in my opinion everything really ties to Vic. Vic is the one who started the Strike Team down the path of being dirty cops. If you remember co-pilot Vic was the first to suggest a short-cut in taking down a drive-by suspect. This is what started all of them down the path that has led them to where they are. Clearly, I realize that I'm in the minority here. I'm not a Vic-enabler. Maybe that's why I think the way I do about this.
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 22, 2006 0:06:31 GMT -5
The real genius of this episode and as a season finale in general is how EVERYTHING ties to Shane and his screw-ups dating all the way back to Season 4. To keep Shane from going to prison, Lem stole a brick of tar. IAD clutched him because of that tar. He was willing to turn himself in to SAVE Shane once again, and what happens? He dies, by Shane's hands. Pure genius. TV shows do NOT get better than this. I know. That just makes me hate Shane more. He's the screw-up. He's the one who should have been gone a long time ago. If he hadn't been in bed with Antwon, none of this crap would have happened. I should have seen this coming that episode a while ago when he asked if Lem would cover them if Kavanaugh's investigation uncovers some shit.
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Post by BenYankee on Mar 22, 2006 0:08:21 GMT -5
On a tangential note, Claudette should have been captain ages ago. She commands respect like no other.
Hell, even Vic won't give her grief. I don't know if that's from the BEST EVER moment of The Shield when Claudette goes, "Ronnie's on you. It's all on you" with If I Ever Leave This World Behind playing in the background or what. But damn.
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Post by jojoenglish on Mar 22, 2006 0:10:45 GMT -5
Always Knew Shane was a turd, but who saw this coming? Can't see anyway Vic was in on it. That's just not him. it just makes me angry and it will be interesting to see how Vic responds once he finds out.
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Post by BenYankee on Mar 22, 2006 0:11:42 GMT -5
I just read this on another message board. It's the perfect summary of how The Shield has always managed to shock us.
"offer him a sandwich and then grenade him."
While we're all mad at Shane, that's The Shield for you. It will shock you.
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Post by badcop187 on Mar 22, 2006 0:14:36 GMT -5
Lem had such a good heart all the way up to the end. I know why shane did it, but how did he ever work up the balls to do so? ? Watching Lem in the car broke my heart.
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Post by sykopath on Mar 22, 2006 0:20:25 GMT -5
Ok, I feel a tad better right now. Better enough to give my complete episode analysis (as if you guys care). ;D
In chronological order:
I'm glad they didn't have Corrine give any up to Kav. And I didn't say anything last week, but those guesses on him raping her were way too out there! Kav from the start has always been a man about principles.
The line Vic said to Imolia (sp?): "If you made different choices from the beginning, none of us would be ripped up right now". Oh really Vic??? Pot calling the kettle black eh?
Lem telling Becca about the MT and seeing her reaction as she realized she'd been had (in more ways than one) was a "wow" moment for me. The man died, but he certainly set in motion the chain of events that I feel will end this show. Because now that the Terry murder has hit a dead end, IAD has the MT lead to follow. And with Becca pissed at Vic and feeling she owes Lem some justice, I'm sure her character will play a major role next season. That line earlier this season when she said "maybe someday I'll see you in court" always struck me as a bit of foreshadowing. She was already trying to get Lem to turn on Vic with the witness protection deal. Either way, I actually like her character more and more. And that whole Vic falling in love with Becca thing that others have guessed at = POOF!
Danny's baby I'm pretty sure is Vic's. The way he looked at the baby... His own son is autistic and he appeared to be looking at the baby as a fresh start. If it's not Vic's, it's probably Lem's. It HAS to be one of the major character's.
The scene where Vic was taking blame for everything and Shane actually being "the voice of reason" was great. (At least I thought so before Shane murdered Lem). It's still a great scene psycholgically speaking though. Vic doubting himself and really, truly realizing the situation they were in. It's pretty much at this point where Shane's crazy mind started going into over-drive.
Shane telling Vic and Ronnie "no, we'll wait" for Lem. I don't think I've hated any character on this show (Mara included) more than Shane at that precise moment.
Certain loose ends have definitely been tied up. I can't see Antwon returning. I also thought Doomsday would make a return with Lem being in Mexico. But I can't see the writers bringing him back.
The Billings character is really interesting to me. He's gone from a scared cop to Captain to a ballsy detective. Good character development.
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Post by margos04 on Mar 22, 2006 0:22:15 GMT -5
Wow...what a difference a season makes.At the end of last season one of the shots was Lem and Shane joking around on the pool table.One season later Shane's dropping a grenade n Lem's car.Well I guess next year must be it for the show.
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Post by shadow on Mar 22, 2006 0:27:06 GMT -5
haunting... i dont blame shane for lem... it was aciveda with that money train shit, shane was loving his family, he just acts so irrationally sometimes... i love them all though and will miss lem.
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Post by wgjones3 on Mar 22, 2006 0:39:18 GMT -5
Not to beat a dead horse, but no way Vic was in on it with Shane. Shane's always had this idolization of Vic going. In his own pathetic, teary-eyed way, this was Shane's screwed-up attempt at being like his 'big brother'. But he just proved again he doesn't have the guts or the smarts to do anything right under pressure. Just like last season he made the pathetic attempt to strike out on his own with Army and start cutting deals on the side. I just wonder what's going to happen when Vic figures out what Shane did. Will Vic be mad enough to avenge Lem's death? I thought Shane was going to have a nervous breakdown and confess everything before the show was over tonight.
It does look like the stress is starting to put chinks in Vic's armor and I have a feeling Lem's death is going to push him over the edge. Dang, when Kav started asking if Vic was happy, I was hoping Vic would make a bloody mess out of him.
As for the sub-plots, Dutch with the blackmail on Billings could be the set-up to something good. And Billings getting beat up by a hooker was great. Dutch finally has the upper hand in a partnership, and it looks like he's trying to live out his Vic idolization. His little attempt at playing Tina was pathetic--and speaking of Tina, I wish somebody had slapped her at the end when she started sobbing over Lem. Don't know why, but I wish they had.
This didn't feel like a season finale. I kept waiting for a preview of next week's show. I really wanted to see a preview of the Strike Team going after that little snitch that played them against Kav.
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Post by shadow on Mar 22, 2006 0:44:34 GMT -5
exactly, i hated tina for that bull shit at the end... if i was julian i would have set her streight... OYE!
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Post by striketeamwashere on Mar 22, 2006 0:45:34 GMT -5
Im not ready to post on this episode, still in a big case of SHOCK will post comments when i wake up.
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