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Post by mwk ~aka~ Witchykitty on Apr 17, 2006 15:32:35 GMT -5
At this point, I want EVERYBODY to get theirs, especially Assinvader and Teeth.
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Post by lemonhead on Apr 17, 2006 17:20:40 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with both of you. Everyone should get what they deserve...
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Post by shygnome on Apr 18, 2006 11:12:42 GMT -5
Yep. I'm in.
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Post by striketeamwashere on Apr 18, 2006 12:12:55 GMT -5
I hope Aceveda just get publicly embarresed. I think that would be better than him dying. "Teeth" as mwk calls him needs to die, but Aceveda just needs to be humilated(sp?).
I am starting to think now that the best way to end the series would be for Vic to die as well. Jail just wouldnt be an interesting ending. So he either needs to get off completly clean or die.No jail thought.
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Post by electroshockblues on Apr 18, 2006 12:52:16 GMT -5
I have to say that I'm bewildered with the amount of hate that Aceveda gets from fans of the show - especially when people start saying that Aceveda is "just as bad" as Vic or even that he's "worse".
The only thing comparable to Vic's sins that Aceveda has done was having Juan killed, and even then Aceveda was far, far more justified in what he did than Vic was when he murdered Terry:
Vic murdered an innocent human being and fellow officer just to stop him from investigating the Strike Team's illegal activities - he didn't do it to "save the team" as Terry had nothing on them at all. It was just convenient for Vic that Terry be killed.
Meanwhile, Juan represented a very real problem for Aceveda, but Aceveda (initially, at least) "[found] the courage not to kill [him]", instead trying to use non-lethal means to get rid of his problem. Aceveda showed us that he was morally superior to Vic when he refrained from murdering the man who raped him, as opposed to Vic whose reasons for murdering Terry are far less easier to sympathise with. As with Terry's murder, Aceveda could have gotten away with killing Juan as Juan had a gun in the room that Aceveda could have planted in his hands after killing him, but he took the moral high ground for as long as he could.
Of course, later Aceveda does have Juan killed, but this was only after non-lethal means of shutting him up had failed, and again, in this case there is no doubt that Juan posed a much bigger danger to Aceveda than Terry did to Vic. Also, Terry was, from what we knew, a good cop and a decent human being, whilst Juan was a scumbag rapist. Juan got what was coming to him, whereas Terry was killed for daring to try to take down a corrupt cop.
Regarding the deal he made with Antwon Mitchell and the DEA its important to remember that he made it under the assumption that Antwon was innocent of the deaths of Carl and Scooby. Furthermore, since Bernia and his goons were a bigger catch than Antwon the deal was no more reprehensible than the "give up your buddies and we'll let you go free" deals that are made nearly every week on the show.
I think that the most obvious reason why everyone hates Aceveda is that a lot of the show's fans are, to quote Shawn Ryan, "Vic enablers". This isn't such a bad thing most of the time, as most of Vic's actions fall into the "ends justify the means" moral grey area, but when people start saying things like "Terry was a rat and he deserved to die - if I was Vic I would have killed him", and "Aceveda, Kavanaugh and Dutch deserve to die - how dare they try to investigate Vic!!!!!" I find myself utterly stunned.
Another thing: All of the pain that Vic's suffered throughout the show has been well deserved - he's done bad things and he's paid the price (Lem's death, his divorce, forced retirement, losing the MT cash etc). Meanwhile, Aceveda in no way deserved to be raped at gun-point.
Aceveda definitely deserves some retribution (for turning a blind eye to Vic's actions and screwing people over etc), but certainly not death.
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Post by mwk ~aka~ Witchykitty on Apr 18, 2006 15:20:37 GMT -5
Well put electroshockblues. Aceveda is a slimey politician who looks after himself and noone else (except his wife and baby). His motivations for doing good have only been self-serving (much like Shane), while Vic takes personal risks to look after others. Vic's a crooked cop, a murderer and a thief, and deserves to go to jail. Someone should've slapped him upside his head for making the wrong decisions. He shouldn't have let Lem back in the Strike Team, especially knowing he was spitting up blood during the whole money train ordeal (if that's a sign that somebody can't handle it, then I don't know what is). To me, he's indirectly responsible for Lem's death, and I'm a little less fond of him because of that. He's still a likeable character, though! Go figure.
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Post by electroshockblues on Apr 18, 2006 17:09:46 GMT -5
You're right. I should have made it clear that my problem wasn't with you specifically (your post was quite reasonable besides saying that he was as dirty as the ST), but rather with the Aceveda-hate that seems to be disturbingly rampant among a lot of fans (mainly on the IMDB boards).
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Post by icebergslim on May 6, 2006 7:58:59 GMT -5
I want to see Aceveda take a hard, ugly fall from grace and get everything he's got coming to him.....BUT, even more than that, I want to see him burn whoever he has to in order to save his own skin and ultimately go on to be elected mayor of LA -- and turn out to be THE VILLAIN of the series. (think the final scene of Roman Polanski's China Town)
I don't feel a particular need to see Vic go to jail or get killed, but it's just a matter of time before he gets nailed with an indictment -- or a bullet. He's made a lot of enemies both on the force and off. The blaze of glory scenario would be cool, but ultimately too Hollywood and not terribly realistic.
What I hope we see is Vic and Aceveda working against the clock to burn each other. (yes, I'm a huge James Ellroy fan)
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Post by electroshockblues on May 6, 2006 9:20:24 GMT -5
The good thing about the show is that there is no villain. Almost every character is morally 'grey'. Turning Aceveda into a fully fledged 'villain' would be totally out of sync with the show we've watched for the last five years.
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Post by mwk ~aka~ Witchykitty on May 6, 2006 10:30:25 GMT -5
The good thing about the show is that there isTurning Aceveda into a fully fledged 'villain' would be totally out of sync with the show we've watched for the last five years. Ahhh, but Aceveda getting some good press and the full truth not reaching the public IS.
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Post by icebergslim on May 7, 2006 9:01:40 GMT -5
The good thing about the show is that there is no villain. Almost every character is morally 'grey'. Turning Aceveda into a fully fledged 'villain' would be totally out of sync with the show we've watched for the last five years. Well, the scenario where justice is served to all who deserve it with all questions answered and loose ends neatly tied up is a bit trite for me. I'd rather see a messy, ugly ending where there's a lot of unresolved crap left floating in the air (read: stigma) that serves as a painful reminder to all the characters left standing. Knowing that Aceveda is dirty and being powerless to do anything about it, as they watch him ascend to the office of Mayor, would be a good way to end the show. In other words, I want to see the legacy of corruption continue, but on a different path and an even larger scale -- or at least that should be implied. Have Aceveda be rewarded for his deceit. He becomes more loathsome with each season. Let him amp it up a few more notches and keep smiling while he burns everyone that poses a threat to him. The show could end with him accepting a nomination as a Mayoral candidate. I don't think that's the direction it will ultimately go, but it would be awesome if it did.
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Post by lemgirl on Aug 25, 2006 15:39:35 GMT -5
Yep, I hope they all get what they deserve!
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Post by vato on Aug 26, 2006 7:14:17 GMT -5
hey electroschockblues! i'm a 100% with you on this!
about the first post, Vic killing Terry for VERY bad reasons as he had nothing against the Strike Team yet etc etc...
and i can't believe you read about fans saying that Dutch or Aceveda deserved to die!! well, i don't Kavanaugh to die either by the way but at least i can understand (not justify) that some fans want him dead.
anyway, to stay on the topic i gotta say that Aceveda went through the most terrible thing on S3, far worse imo than Vic's bullet on s2 or kick in the balls by Garza... ...well, as i'm thinking about it, i realize i am gonna say exactly the same things as electroshockblues, so this post is useless!!
oh and i wanted to say that, no matter what we want, i'm pretty confident our thirst for justice ain't gonna be quetched anyway! and that's also what i love in this show, the writers know how to surprise us ;D
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Post by lemgirl on Aug 28, 2006 8:44:08 GMT -5
That's one thing I agree with is the writers definitely know how to surprise us...
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Post by eclipsepinkfloyd on Dec 26, 2006 20:32:34 GMT -5
I would LOVE to see Aceveda get his. He is such a back stabbing piece of crap
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Post by danimal12483 on Mar 24, 2007 0:35:00 GMT -5
i would love to see aceveda publicly disgraced somehow. everything he's done, was always for only himself. he isn't any better than mackman. well, he wears a suit. only diff to me.
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Post by Blanket Party on Apr 4, 2007 2:28:39 GMT -5
...whereas Terry was killed for daring to try to take down a corrupt cop. Which he was completely justified - hell, even obligated - to do. I've NEVER understood why characters like Terry and Kavanaugh get such hate. Sure, they're adversaries for Vic, but if you look at it lawfully, they're the good guys. I completely, 150% agree. Vic is a corrupt cop. And no matter how much we may sympathize and understand his motivations for bending the rules, and no matter how effectively it may be portrayed, it doesn't make the other characters "evil" simply because they do their jobs and look into corruption. I pretty much said the same thing twice.
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Post by eekay on Apr 4, 2007 14:52:44 GMT -5
Just a thought. . .
What if someone really starts digging into the "Aceveda visits Juan in prison, Aceveda visits Antwon Mitchell in prison, Juan catches a barbell in the skull and Antwon suddenly scores a cushy deal from the DEA" thing? And/or if Juan's girlfriend, who last time we saw her she still insisted that she had a copy of "the picture", suspects that Aceveda had something to do with Juan dying and decides to spill the beans? And/or, if Sara the hooker decides, either for personal gain or b/c she sees Aceveda running for mayor and feels the need to expose the candidate for what he did to her, tells the world what he did to her and why? What, in essence, if Aceveda can't make that whole dark time of his life go away? And. . .what if he finds out that Juan was spurred and probably even inspired to orally rape Aceveda because earlier that day another cop had almost choked Juan himself with his own bong? What if he finds out that that cop was Vic Mackey?
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Post by Blanket Party on Apr 4, 2007 15:08:35 GMT -5
I like everything you say, eekay, except for the Mackey thing.
I guess it would make for decent enough drama I suppose, but I dunno. Aceveda was a poor accident, and not really Vic's fault.
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Post by eekay on Apr 4, 2007 15:13:48 GMT -5
It wasn't Vic's fault in the sense that Vic made Juan swallow the bong so that Juan would get extra-pissed and make the next cop he could get his hands on swallow his d*ck. Obviously Vic couldn't have foreseen that fallout. But don't tell me those incidents were unrelated. Juan even used some of the same phrases on Aceveda, that Vic had used on him.
I'm just saying that it (the scenario in my last post) would be interesting. Right now Aceveda has kind of cooled his jets with his personal attack on Mackey. Something like that could fire it up again.
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