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Post by chemikalman on Apr 20, 2005 11:37:48 GMT -5
I thought this was the best episode of the season, hands down. All I can say is WOW!!! The web of conflicts is becoming increasingly intricate. Not only are new conflicts forming, those that existed are becoming more intense. How about that church scene ... executing a search warrant while a frikkin baptism is taking place!!! That was completely over the top! I'll have to rewatch this episode at least once and probably twice because there is so much going on.
Shane has to be thinking that he's in way, way over his head ... his whole life seems to be swirling the bowl. Obviously, Army thinks so. On one side Shane's got Antwon holding the dead girl's body as his trump card, on the other side Lem's ready to beat the poo out of him because he thinks Shane ratted the girl out. Who do you think would come out on top if those two tangled? Lem is bigger and probably stronger. But, like the saying goes, "it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog."
I'm getting a kick out of the icy relationship between Dutchboy and Claudette, the "Moral Crusader," as she was referred to on another board.
Speaking of moral crusaders, I was really floored to see Julian go behind his boss' back and try to strike a deal with the devil (Aceveda). I had to chuckle when Aceveda warned him that someone might try to dredge up his past "indiscretions" if he gets carried away.
I'm not sure how much I like this part of the storyline (Julien's change from supporting the asset seizures to questioning them), but it does bring up an interesting point: the relative inability of the poor to "buy justice" like the wealthy can. I would have thought Rawling's offer to start a legal fund with a portion of the money raised from the seized assets would placate Julian, but it didn't.
This was a wonderfully crafted story--congrats to the two new female writers on the staff, Elizabeth Craft and Sarah Fain (I think it's Sarah), who were in the credits as the writers of this ep.
I have a feeling I will want more than eight choices in the best line poll for this ep!
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Post by thekyoteh on Apr 20, 2005 21:24:52 GMT -5
I thought this was the best episode of the season, hands down. All I can say is WOW!!! The web of conflicts is becoming increasingly intricate. Not only are new conflicts forming, those that existed are becoming more intense. How about that church scene ... executing a search warrant while a frikkin baptism is taking place!!! That was completely over the top! I'll have to rewatch this episode at least once and probably twice because there is so much going on. Definitely a good season! Last season (IMO) was definitely the set up for this season and we're definitely in for some explosions! I agree about Shane realizing he's in deep. And he realizes he's got himself in a position where help isn't really avail. After the way he's treated Vic he knows that asking Vic for help can be risky. Esp. after knowing how Vic can handle problems. As for Lem vs. Shane, I'd place my bets on Lem. He's not only go tsize and muscle but he's got sheer anger brewing in him. That anger and hatred makes him stronger than muscle and size. Add the 2 together and Shane will wish he's dead (if he isn't). That was definitely an interesting twist! Question is, can either of them pass up the crusade? I wouldn't be surprised if they go for it. I think it's one of those where upon first hearing, it sounds good. Then he saw it in action and started to fear how it can be misused and abused. Now he's thinking it's a big mistake and wants to do something about it. Should be interesting to see how his character continues to develop! Agreed! Oddly enough no quotes stood out to me. will have to watch again.... Ky
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Post by CopperHead on Apr 21, 2005 11:26:20 GMT -5
I think the search warrant and entering the church was executed quite well. I also believe that the "Rev" knew exactly what was going on in his church.
Yes, I believe that the fuse has been lit, folks, and the poo's gonna hit the fan shortly, probably next ep.
As for Julian, well, personally I think he's "basically" a good cop but if you want to make a difference as he says he does, then he needs to show more effort. To me, he needs to grow a backbone. He just doesn't have the "hunger" to make the difference he wants. The idea of setting up a legal aid fund was a great idea and he should have run with it, but it just seems he doesn't want to do the "work" involved. The Capt. was right to suggest his transfer, perhaps to a C.O.P.E Unit if they have one.
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Post by jwc53531 on Apr 21, 2005 18:30:11 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised this episode gets such high marks - I personally felt it was the weakest so far and was definately Close's worst episode - don't get me wrong, it's still great television, but as a Shield episode I felt it was a continuation of what, for me, has so far been a pretty flat season - unlike S2 anad S3 where the Money Train kept us occupied, this season has little focus - just a large number of various stories (that are of course connected) and the main arc, the Antwon story, is fast becoming very stereotypical and I think the whole Corrine/Dutch/Vic triangle is just a really bad idea - I hope Corrine just blows Dutch off and that's the end of any possible relationship although certainly even what little contact has already been made between them will undoubtedly raise Vic's gander - I'm guessing the underlying theme for the whole season is to reunite the Strike Team for the common good (and common profit) but this episode in particular is just treading water - I like the whole Julien/Aceveda angle and the Shane/Lem confrontation, although plainly telegraphed, was still a good scene, as was Vic and Ronnie showing Lem the Shane tape - and the previews indicate the intersection of a number of threads so I'm hoping my momentary displeasure will be rectified next Tuesday
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Post by chemikalman on Apr 22, 2005 10:48:40 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised this episode gets such high marks - I personally felt it was the weakest so far and was definately Close's worst episode - don't get me wrong, it's still great television, but as a Shield episode I felt it was a continuation of what, for me, has so far been a pretty flat season - That's why it's fun to see other's opinions--to see what different people get from the show. I am more interested in the characters than the storylines, per se. I know the stories have to be there, of course. And I wish they wouldn't drop some plotslines like they were a bad habit or put them on hold indefinitely. But I am still more fascinated with character development, esp. with regard to conflict and tension between and among them. I see your point, but Farmington is a fairly limited universe. I can see how it would really be a challenge to come up with new ideas. That's why I'm more into the characters. I love Arthur Anderson's job of portraying Antwon and I equally impressed, if not more, with Glenn Close. I guess I'm just fascinated with the subtle little facial expressions, how they use their voices, etc. And then there are all the interpersonal aspects of politics, power, loyalty and the biggest theme of all: moral ambiguity. I definitely agree with you on the Dutch - Corrine angle. It had me thinking "um ... no--please end this plotline ASAP!" I've heard that Tavon will be back near the end of the season. That might have been another challenge for the writers ... not knowing if Bryan White was going to come back or not. Or maybe they had an agreement that even if his new UPN(?) show worked out he'd still fulfill an obligation to The Shield on a limited basis. Does anyone know about this?
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Post by thekyoteh on Apr 22, 2005 15:33:57 GMT -5
I'm a little surprised this episode gets such high marks - I personally felt it was the weakest so far and was definately Close's worst episode - don't get me wrong, it's still great television, but as a Shield episode I felt it was a continuation of what, for me, has so far been a pretty flat season - unlike S2 anad S3 where the Money Train kept us occupied, this season has little focus - just a large number of various stories (that are of course connected) and the main arc, the Antwon story, is fast becoming very stereotypical and I think the whole Corrine/Dutch/Vic triangle is just a really bad idea - I hope Corrine just blows Dutch off and that's the end of any possible relationship although certainly even what little contact has already been made between them will undoubtedly raise Vic's gander - I'm guessing the underlying theme for the whole season is to reunite the Strike Team for the common good (and common profit) but this episode in particular is just treading water - I like the whole Julien/Aceveda angle and the Shane/Lem confrontation, although plainly telegraphed, was still a good scene, as was Vic and Ronnie showing Lem the Shane tape - and the previews indicate the intersection of a number of threads so I'm hoping my momentary displeasure will be rectified next Tuesday The way I see last season and this one is that last season (or last 2) were all about setting things up. They were more for keeping your brain busy figuring out where things are possibly going to go and keep track of all the back ground stuff. This season all that set up/foundation is coming together and we have more of the action part. For me, the action and anticipation of the pending battle has me going more though I've loved all the seasons! Last season I loved trying to figure out how things would go. This season it's the anticipation of action that's got me glued. And the way things are going for me right now, action is much more rewarding at the moment. Just different likes/dislikes! ;-) And yes, everything involved with Shane and the strike team members and the upcoming ep(s) is of HIGH interest to me! Ky
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Post by fju2112 on Apr 27, 2005 7:21:02 GMT -5
Keeps getting better this season, in my opinion. For the first time since last season, I felt some genuine heart-pounding while Vic followed Shane to the cigarette stakeout, after Vic had seen the tape...watching Vic's steely eyes glare down Shane, Shane not knowing that Vic knows all.
The stories are coming together a little, finally, where we see what's happening w/ Shane/Vic/Antwan, and we also see that Aceveda is determined to take Vic off the street, to the point of forcing it down Rowling's throat. We all know something big is coming w/ Aceveda; either people will find out about the rape somehow, something happens w/ Aurora, or we see him caught w/ a prostitute; whatever.
I think it was season 3 that included an episode about a councilman who had been caught asking for prostitutes on a street corner and a bag full of "goodies", like dildo's, etc...Aceveda was hard on the guy and made sure he got punished for it..now he's on the other side of that same coin!
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Post by fju2112 on Apr 27, 2005 7:26:13 GMT -5
I thought the ending of last night's ep bordered on over-the-top/showy when Vic was walking around Farmington alone. But, it was borderline, and definitely on the right side of the border to me...gotta love him staring people down, being the tough guy, showing his badge to a uni and telling him off. Some crazy stuff is gonna happen this season w/ him...Vic vs. Dutch, and you know he'll find out about that...at the very least, Vic doesn't want Dutch NEAR his kids. Vic vs. Rowling, hopefully not for the worst...Vic vs. Aceveda, vs. Shane, vs. Antwan. They're certainly keeping it interesting.
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Post by qb on Apr 27, 2005 9:37:50 GMT -5
Aha! Even though I have predicted the Dutch/Corrine thang, it still shocked me to see it playing out! And seeing Dutch touch VIC'S OFFSPRING...well, that gave me chills!! Let alone, being fatherly toward Megan and Corrine standing by and swooning. (Was he doing it just to seduce her??) You know that situation is going to end up being very, very ugly once Vic finds out. Can hardly wait for that one! Otherwise, I would give this ep the lowest score of the season...a "B" in my opinion. While Chiklis had lots of sexy scowling scenes, too much of it seemed forced. The capture of the Russian thug and the arsonist was entirely too contrived, if you ask me, even though they had to catch them before the fire. I think much of the ep played off like a montage... And I agree with Fju, Vic storming along, in his very sexy way , was playing to the camera in a music video sort of way. I enjoyed it, but it was a little too MTV for The Shield. Still, fascinating things happening with the storylines. Shane is cracking, obviously, and there is no way he will harm Vic to save his own skin. I just don't believe he would--though "brothers" clearly betray and take revenge on one another (the snitch/cigarette sting was an almost too convenient example of that). I still believe Shane will go to Vic in shame and contrition, asking for forgiveness and help. And I believe Vic will do it... maybe that's my heart talking, though! PS. I think Monica Rawling/Close had some great face scenes with Vic, but she see-saws too much. Maybe that would happen in real life, but I think a woman Captain would be a lot more certain about things before taking stands, making compliments and withdrawing them. Professional women have to be more careful in pronouncements because they are judged more harshly by their male counterparts. Though I gave it a B, I can't wait to see what happens next! ;D
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Post by hrvojeso on Oct 26, 2007 12:27:53 GMT -5
hello everybody!!. can someone help me outta, am searchin for name of last song in S4 episode 7.. *when Vic walking alone on street. !! any idea which is name of that song?
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