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Post by -|E|- on Mar 17, 2006 8:17:26 GMT -5
I think Sadie's problem might be deeper than bi-polar disorder. In the interrogation room, Kav asked her, "Which Sadie am I talking to now?" or something similar to that. She did say she was on meds and she knew right from wrong, unlike before. Then after seeing her so calm and vindictive (you know she did that to piss him off).... maybe she's schizophrenic.
As far as we know, she was remanded to the mental hygiene court system. So, if they released her, she must have passed their evaluation. I beleive filing a false police report is a misdemeanor, so she was probably fined and released.
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Post by fju2112 on Mar 17, 2006 8:59:25 GMT -5
we're forgetting that Lem took a deal from the DA...it's not like they caught him in the act of another crime and released him on his own recognizance. they sat down, discussed a deal, and Lem signed it, with the expectation that he'd give himself up in a day or so for processing...why would they need to stake him out?
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 17, 2006 9:27:52 GMT -5
Ahem, I would like to call attention at this time to my #yahoo# 1,000th post!!! #yahoo#
Darn that E, though. She appeared on TSR a fair amount of time after Chem, Kyoteh and I started it and she's ahead of me now! Well, she *is* keeping us all informed about the eps and the actors--valuable information--and other cool things like the sidewalk art. I doubt I'll ever catch up!! She's truly a first class Vic Enabler! #surrender# #surrender# #surrender# Congratualtions!!
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Post by qb on Mar 17, 2006 10:22:23 GMT -5
Something I haven't seen anyone else discuss is Sadie's complete change in character from last week. Dude -- let me tell you from experience. Crazy women = bipolar. Loony one minute, calm & confident the next. When I saw that change, it was no surprise. Eddie Eddie Eddie... I thought you had more experience than this! Crazy women=women in general. And who defines "crazy" anyway? Men, who are the pictures of sanity until they go without sex for a few weeks?? uh huh That's the pot calling the kettle black, hon.
I am proud to be a woman of... passions. Keeps the men in my life guessing (and slightly frightened). And during that "time of the month" oooh, things really get interesting! #moody#
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 17, 2006 14:38:00 GMT -5
we're forgetting that Lem took a deal from the DA...it's not like they caught him in the act of another crime and released him on his own recognizance. they sat down, discussed a deal, and Lem signed it, with the expectation that he'd give himself up in a day or so for processing...why would they need to stake him out? Vic Mackey
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Post by Inside Man on Mar 17, 2006 19:03:26 GMT -5
I can't get that damned Smashing Pumpkins song out of my head.
I got an unpeaceful uneasy feeling when Corrine opened that door to see Kavanaugh standing there. His visit to Lem was nothing compared to stopping by and seeing her. Vic really pushed him over the edge.
Thing is, I just can't decide if he pushed his way in or not. It wasn't blatant, but it really looks like he did open the door with his right arm or hand. Corrine willingly letting him in after what he's done seems like a stretch. I could say something else about the preview, but I won't. Suffice to say that the blocking of that quick glimpse makes me lean one way instead of the other.
I really don't know where that leads but I'd say anything, anything is possible given their two mental states.
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Post by Inside Man on Mar 18, 2006 11:25:29 GMT -5
I know I'm posting back-to-back, but the subject is completely different.
When I first saw the title to this episode a while back, it set my head spinning. Imagine my relief when it didn't turn out ending like Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men. There was soooo much speculation that something bad would happen to Lem in Season 4, and then his awesome fight with the Salvadorans almost made it reality. To think that Vic or someone else would take Lem out in this episode was too unbearable to consider, but consider it I did..for weeks.
Right up until the ending title, I was waiting for something bad to happen. Vic has always been such a good liar, and his heartfelt plea to Lem in the bar about "This is all about keeping you alive" even still made me suspicious. I can't help but think of the closing scene in the novel, when George told Lenny to "Look far away, look over the river..."
Again, that Smashing Pumpkins montage haunts me. It's so heartbreaking to see these guys split up again, having had those hatchets completely buried. It really mirrored the Season 3 finale, with a completely different tone. I also loved the way this montage turned that one from the finale of Season 4 on it's happy-go-lucky ear. Kavanaugh visiting Corrine was a terribly unsettling image.
I guess the title had more to do with that old saying "The best laid plans of mice and men go awry"' and less to do with Steinbeck's novel, thank God. No matter how hard the guys worked to get Lem some peace in prison, Kavanaugh and Mitchell managed to scuttle their efforts.
Man, what a great f*cking episode.
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Post by BenMackey on Mar 19, 2006 6:19:30 GMT -5
and lets face it ... Corrine IS pretty easy, so chances Kav is gettn some are good. good episode
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Post by Dead Armenian on Mar 19, 2006 7:30:04 GMT -5
This season has all the intensity of S1...I agree with so much of what Inside Straight/Larry David had to say about this "unsettling" episode and season.
Vic is scrambling all over the place trying to fix the situation, but it feels like the control of the streets he used to have is just slipping away and his tactics are starting to fail. Kern's death was a shock - there's a whole new power base out there, and none of them are old Mackey team players. Antwon just sees Vic as an enemy or a potential bitch.
Vic keeps getting trumped: he set up the warehouse robbery, but Antwon engineered a killing. He slept with Sadie, but Kav showed up at Corinne's door. The world according to Vic is being redefined by all kinds of other people..."the beginning of the end" is not hype. The show is really setting up the downfall of what was.
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 19, 2006 7:30:09 GMT -5
Even if the investigation is over, Corrine is probably still pissed at Kav for freezing her money. That anger means no ass coming Kav's way willingly.
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Post by BenMackey on Mar 19, 2006 8:44:01 GMT -5
Even if the investigation is over, Corrine is probably still pissed at Kav for freezing her money. That anger means no ass coming Kav's way willingly. yeah right, cause women are so damn easy to assess.
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Post by BenMackey on Mar 19, 2006 8:46:44 GMT -5
Vic is scrambling all over the place trying to fix the situation, but it feels like the control of the streets he used to have is just slipping away I think its rather a problem of Vic, back in previous seasons, taking the "fight" off the streets onto more uncontrollable grounds, that hes not able to control as good as "only" the streets. His problem aint the street, its the jails, the offices and the town halls.
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Post by Inside Man on Mar 19, 2006 13:37:34 GMT -5
Musing on more about that title:
The play on words with ‘Lem’ substituted for 'Men’ may be meant to suggest that Lem is the one true ‘man’ among this group.
The Strike Team are greatly relieved that he is taking the hit to seal them off. They are left to ponder whether or not they would do the same. Kavanaugh admires Lem for being such a stand up guy for his buddies. Cops always cave when threatened with jail...Always. But not Curtis Lemansky.
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Post by sykopath on Mar 20, 2006 12:58:51 GMT -5
Well my fellow Shield-aholics, the end is near. Just 1 more day....
I have to apologize for not voting on this episode earlier. I actually missed the Tues showing of this ep and had to record the replay on Fri night. My feelings are obviously the same as the rest of you: This was one of the greatest episodes ever. I'll just touch on a couple of things that some of you may not have mentioned (though I doubt anyone is still checking this thread! Lol)
The Kav speech was perfect. It seemed to me like everyone in the room knew he was right, yet wanted the whole thing to go away. They all (with the exception of the new chief) have dealt with and heard about Vic Mackey. And they know he's only a bundle of trouble that they'd rather not deal with. It seemed to me though that Claudette and Kavanaugh may have some future dealings in regards to Vic....
The Kern murder was incredible. Everyone's reaction to knowing that Antwon just screwed them was priceless. And Kern not being quite dead yet and calling out to Mackey (with Vic standing there motionless) was simply breathtaking. Wow.
On a side note, did anyone notice when Vic visited Antwon, we had a view of a security camera watching Vic's conversation with Antwon? On BOTH visits too! Could this be foreshadowing for next season? Maybe this is evidence that is used to incriminate Vic?
And finally, is anyone else as convinced as I am that we'll see a Doomsday killing Lem storyline next year? Or something like that which would start the chain of events that would make Vic act careless and only serve to bring himself down?? Either way, I'm pretty sure we haven't seen the last of Doomsday. And with Lem now down there with him................................. All I'm saying is that it seems too perfect.
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Post by mwk ~aka~ Witchykitty on Mar 20, 2006 16:38:21 GMT -5
On a side note, did anyone notice when Vic visited Antwon, we had a view of a security camera watching Vic's conversation with Antwon? On BOTH visits too! Could this be foreshadowing for next season? Maybe this is evidence that is used to incriminate Vic? Good observation! I'm assuming prisons can't record audio in those visiting rooms, or can they? Here's something I don't understand: if Kav and Antwon were threatening Lem- even if there's no proof-why couldn't Vic have spoken up to someone about it? Not that anyone would or could do anything about it, but at least the accusation would be on record, his visits to Antwon would be explained, and, if anything did happen to Lem, he could say, 'I told you so' and place blame on everyone he told for not protecting a cop. After Lem was placed in the same cage as the others, it might've been quite believable.
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Post by fanatic1950 on Mar 21, 2006 5:32:57 GMT -5
Just remember, when Gilroy went down is season 1, they put him in the cage and no one thought anything was wrong with that. He shouldn't have been put in the cage with the common street criminals just like lem shouldn't have been thrown in the cage also. Less than 16 1/2 hrs to go. Season finale is listed as being 95 minutes long 2nite
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Post by axeman61 on Mar 21, 2006 7:21:36 GMT -5
Jesus. Not one stray vote.
I'd be surprised if the finale could match up.
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Post by Inside Man on Mar 21, 2006 14:34:26 GMT -5
axeman, it sure is impressive.
Here's an interesting line I copied from the front page:
Within a week, every one of us graded Of Mice and Lem an A.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 21, 2006 16:26:45 GMT -5
I haven't voted on this ep yet but I'm considering playing devil's advocate and giving it a B+. Okay, never mind ... I'll make it unanimous and give it an "A." After all, judges at the Olympics finally started giving 10s a few Olympics ago, heh. - The way Antwon completely f*cked over Vic's mind by having Kern offed was priceless;
- The scene of Kern calling out to Vic with his dying utterance was gut-wrenching;
- Seeing Vic later lose his cool like I've never seen while he tried to figure out what to do next;
- Vic going to see Sadie and then deciding "hey, cool, yeah I'll f*ck you and when Kav finds out, I'll f*ck his mind, too!";
- Kav's pissing speech, which makes everyone in the room #jaw-dropping#;
- Lem and Vic driving off into the sunset at the end.
- etc., etc., etc.
And to think Glen got excited in telling us about how the finale went! Sheeee-uttttt! This will be too rich for our blood. If anyone has a weak heart, better take some calming pills.
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Post by Strike Team 4 Life on Mar 21, 2007 13:48:46 GMT -5
I am what people call "SLOW".....
I found this on TV.com "The end of the episode does parallel John Steinbeck's novel "Of Mice and Men" (which influenced the previous episode's title) since, in the novel, George kills Lennie out of mercy."
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