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Post by Bottleneck on Mar 5, 2007 15:41:25 GMT -5
Hello, everybody, I have gathered up some questions on Season 3. Right now I watched the first two episodes and I am completely mind-boggled.
First of all, I don't understand the entire mp5 controversy in the first two episodes So Kern and the one-niners had some mp5s, and so did the Byz Lats? What about those 9mm pistols that the Byz Lats had? Wasn't that their weapon? Could someone please explain what was going on and every single detail as to how Vic busted the Byz Lats? I'm sorry for the hassle, but I like to look into every single thing in detail and very meticulously.
Second, why was Aceveda so happy not only towards Danny, but overall in the precinct? He constantly had a smile on his face. I thought that Claudette was taking his job; but where would that leave Aceveda? What would he do during the six months before he becomes Councilman?
Third, if Dutch flagged the Armenian money, then how come the Treasury didn't catch Shane using it to buy Mara's Lexus?
Fourth, why did Aceveda want a decoy squad for the precinct? This may have been mentioned in the first episode of season 3, but I can't remember the reason.
Thank you very much in advance.
edit: removed "Spoilers" from thread title. No need to warn people about things that aired on FX about 3 years ago. -E
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Post by striketeamwashere on Mar 5, 2007 16:21:42 GMT -5
I half to go to work in 30 minutes so I'll start with #4. It is one of the easier ones to explain.
The Decoy Squad wasn't Aceveda's idea. It was Claudette's. With all of the people that were lost at the end of S2 the Barn became understaffed. Claudette says the DS was suppose to work all around the city, but ended up in one place most of the time. I assume that if they went to the barn it would not effect the budget.
After she tell Aceveda he goes and asks Chief Banks, and forgets to mention Claudettes name. She then goes and asks Banks if she will still be Captin when Aceveda moves up to the City Council. He tells her something along the lines "Aceveda has a plan to clean up Farmington"
From then she no longer is guranteed the job, and only gets Banks "support"
Then we get the scene from all of the S3 promos
Claudette-"You're stealing my ideas. I won't let you do this to me. This is my job" Aceveda-"Not yet"
(Those arn't the exact words but close)
Long story short Claudette has the idea and wants to make Farmington better, Aceveda only does it so he looks good.
If I made a mistake or missed something anyone is more than welcome to correct me.
I'll try to help you out some more later Armin.
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 5, 2007 18:49:41 GMT -5
You need to just keep watching the season... 2 eps isn't enough to understand what's going on. It's better to watch it unfold than to get spoiled..
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Post by eekay on Mar 5, 2007 19:00:53 GMT -5
I'll answer Question #3. It's not too spoilery.
Only a fraction of the money train money was marked --I think either $50,000 or $70,000. But nowhere near all of it. So someone could take a chunk of it without grabbing any marked bills.
Secondly, I don't know if you've gotten to this part yet (b/c I don't know which ep it occurs in), but Shane swore to Vic that he didn't use money train money to finance the Lexus. He told him he maxed out his credit card instead. Of course, I don't believe a word Shane says either --but that's what he said.
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Post by ShootFirst on Mar 8, 2007 18:28:39 GMT -5
I'll answer Question #3. It's not too spoilery.
Only a fraction of the money train money was marked --I think either $50,000 or $70,000. But nowhere near all of it. So someone could take a chunk of it without grabbing any marked bills.
Secondly, I don't know if you've gotten to this part yet (b/c I don't know which ep it occurs in), but Shane swore to Vic that he didn't use money train money to finance the Lexus. He told him he maxed out his credit card instead. Of course, I don't believe a word Shane says either --but that's what he said. Correct. What Vic had a problem with was that it was a big purchase and didn't look good. He wanted to keep everything on the down low and not draw any more attention than what they were already getting.
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Post by Bottleneck on Mar 10, 2007 13:02:16 GMT -5
Thank you everyone. Can anyone answer anymore please? This is all really helpful. Thanks a lot.
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Post by Bottleneck on Apr 10, 2007 22:19:48 GMT -5
Hello, everybody, I have gathered up some questions on Season 3. Right now I watched the first two episodes and I am completely mind-boggled. First of all, I don't understand the entire mp5 controversy in the first two episodes. So Kern and the one-niners had some mp5s, and so did the Byz Lats? What about those 9mm pistols that the Byz Lats had? Wasn't that their weapon? Could someone please explain what was going on and every single detail as to how Vic busted the Byz Lats? I'm sorry for the hassle, but I like to look into every single thing in detail and very meticulously. Thank you very much in advance. I got it. The one-niners were buying guns because the Byz Lats had MP5s. The .9mm were simply sidearms. They stole the MP5s from Fort Irwin. Thanks anyway.
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Post by misstriketeam on Mar 8, 2008 21:50:22 GMT -5
Hello, everybody, I have gathered up some questions on Season 3. Right now I watched the first two episodes and I am completely mind-boggled. First of all, I don't understand the entire mp5 controversy in the first two episodes So Kern and the one-niners had some mp5s, and so did the Byz Lats? What about those 9mm pistols that the Byz Lats had? Wasn't that their weapon? Could someone please explain what was going on and every single detail as to how Vic busted the Byz Lats? I'm sorry for the hassle, but I like to look into every single thing in detail and very meticulously. Second, why was Aceveda so happy not only towards Danny, but overall in the precinct? He constantly had a smile on his face. I thought that Claudette was taking his job; but where would that leave Aceveda? What would he do during the six months before he becomes Councilman? Third, if Dutch flagged the Armenian money, then how come the Treasury didn't catch Shane using it to buy Mara's Lexus? Fourth, why did Aceveda want a decoy squad for the precinct? This may have been mentioned in the first episode of season 3, but I can't remember the reason. Thank you very much in advance. edit: removed "Spoilers" from thread title. No need to warn people about things that aired on FX about 3 years ago. -EShane didn't use the money train money to buy Mara's car, he used his own for the down payment he even tells Vic the same thing.
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Post by danimal12483 on Mar 9, 2008 21:27:20 GMT -5
Hello, everybody, I have gathered up some questions on Season 3. Right now I watched the first two episodes and I am completely mind-boggled. First of all, I don't understand the entire mp5 controversy in the first two episodes So Kern and the one-niners had some mp5s, and so did the Byz Lats? What about those 9mm pistols that the Byz Lats had? Wasn't that their weapon? Could someone please explain what was going on and every single detail as to how Vic busted the Byz Lats? I'm sorry for the hassle, but I like to look into every single thing in detail and very meticulously. Second, why was Aceveda so happy not only towards Danny, but overall in the precinct? He constantly had a smile on his face. I thought that Claudette was taking his job; but where would that leave Aceveda? What would he do during the six months before he becomes Councilman? Third, if Dutch flagged the Armenian money, then how come the Treasury didn't catch Shane using it to buy Mara's Lexus? Fourth, why did Aceveda want a decoy squad for the precinct? This may have been mentioned in the first episode of season 3, but I can't remember the reason. Thank you very much in advance. edit: removed "Spoilers" from thread title. No need to warn people about things that aired on FX about 3 years ago. -Ethe answer to your 4th question, it was claudettes dumb idea
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Post by slickvic on Mar 16, 2008 2:18:19 GMT -5
I had a question about the last scene in "bottom bitch" When Vick goes to the foster home to see Connie's kid I felt Vick was showing an unusual amount of personal interest in this matter. Is it possible that Vick is the father of Connie's child? When Vick asks if the child gets along with the other children in the foster home it seems like he may be trying to see if the kid is autistic because if the kid did not get along with the other children it would indicate that the child is autistic which would suggest vick is the father. Vick also accuses the foster parents of skimming from their funding and threatens to "check ip" on them. Is it possible that Vick intends to "check up" because he does not want his child growing up in a deprived environment?
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Post by acc on Mar 16, 2008 13:17:53 GMT -5
Vic busted the Byz Lats by (1) getting enough leverage on Garza's drug supplier and dealer, a black-Asian named Alonzo Wang, who rolled and played along in a cop-sanctioned deal to get the Money Train cash he had lost to Garza, which he had used because Aceveda wouldn't fork over any cash to bust the Byz Lats with. Vic then squeezed Garza's lieutenant, Diagur, immediately after the bust by finding what he knew would be there in the trunk after watching the trade go down. He used Diagur to ensnare Garza and take him down, and Dutch and Claudette wanted Garza, too, because he had one of the freshest and youngest Byz Lats, a college kid wanting to get into the gang, execute a guy but he also killed his best friend. Dutch interrogated the guy to get to the truth, which was that Garza had ordered the hit, so between the drugs and the guy being willing to roll on Garza, they caught Garza despite the fact that they couldn't get him for having the guns--they couldn't explain how they got the guns off the street. Which is why Aceveda thinks that Vic has utterly failed in his mission to get the guns off the street at the end of the episode (3x02, Blood and Water).
slickvic, Connie's kid is definitely not Vic's. He checked up on Brian at the foster care home because he felt immense guilt due to that prostitute in 3x03 Bottom Bitch essentially telling Vic that it was all his fault that Connie was killed, leaving the kid motherless. Connie kicked drugs but Vic had sort of become her new "habit," and in allowing her to try to be an official CI for him, got herself killed.
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Post by chemikalman on Mar 16, 2008 15:03:50 GMT -5
Vic busted the Byz Lats by (1) getting enough leverage on Garza's drug supplier and dealer, a black-Asian named Alonzo Wang, who rolled and played along in a cop-sanctioned deal to get the Money Train cash he had lost to Garza, which he had used because Aceveda wouldn't fork over any cash to bust the Byz Lats with. You kind of lost me here with the run-on sentence and the plethora of pronouns. What I should do and want to do is re-watch S03 but I want to re-watch all the seasons in order and I don't know when I'll get around to it. My question is what do you mean by "cop-sanctioned?" Are you talking about Aceveda and the establishment cops? And since Wang obviously got the money-train cash from Vic, how is he gonna recoup that by playing along with the cops without them knowing about Vic's involvement? If Wang's lost cash was a relatively small amount I guess he could get away with it since I doubt the exact amount of the money train cash was known, just a rough amount, right?
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Post by acc on Mar 20, 2008 14:58:20 GMT -5
For once I can type "LOL!" and mean it. Man, I sure worded that poorly, didn't I?
Okay, at the end of 3x01 Playing Tight Vic is told by Aceveda that he isn't going to give him any money to set up a bust of Garza. So, Vic grabs a whole lot of Money Train cash to use to bust him--thereby forfeiting the "credit" of getting the guns off the streets since he can't explain to Aceveda the usage of his ill-gotten gains.
At the start of 3x02 Blood and Water, Vic tries to bust Garza by using the Money Train cash he's bagged, along with Shane, Lem and Ronnie. But the Byz Lats get the drop on Vic's guys and Garza knees both Vic and Shane in the balls.
So, Vic pursues Garza by going after his drug supplier/dealer, Alonzo Wang. He says at a certain point that he wants to link Garza to heroin for a longer stretch in prison for the a**hole. This is done by the books, as the Strike Team patiently waits for a warrant. But, Vic doesn't tell Aceveda about the drug supplier/dealer because in actuality rather than using Alonzo to bust Garza he merely uses him to get the Money Train cash back from the Byz Lats (this is a spur-of-the-moment decision on Vic's part because he thought Garza was going to show up for the meet sanctioned by Vic and his Strike Team, which is what I meant by "cop-sanctioned"). When Diagur shows up rather than Garza, Vic switches the plan--bust Diagur with the money *and* the drugs, which he tells Tavon to tell Alonzo to allow Diagur to take. Busting Diagur with the drugs *and* money, Vic then takes him to a motel room where he and Kern Little, leader of the 1-9ers, can sort out their differences and Diagur can assume the king position for the Byz Lats.
Meanwhile, Dutch and Claudette investigate a shooting by a college kid who wants to get into the Byz Lats, who ended up murdering his best friend along with his enemy by mistake.
I doubt I've made this all that much clearer, chem. I think the best thing you can do is watch 3x01 and 3x02 again. I think they're masterful, very underrated episodes, actually, but, you really have to pay super close attention because it's all very, very complicated.
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Post by acc on Mar 20, 2008 14:59:16 GMT -5
Oh, and now I realize I was wrong in my initial post: Vic didn't use Alonzo to bust Garza at all. It was a blind alley, which Aceveda assumes is the case because Vic himself lied about Alonzo not having anything since he was more useful in getting their Money Train cash back.
Wow, this is making my head hurt and I'm writing it. :-)
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 19, 2008 19:31:27 GMT -5
Just finished watched an episode where Shane gives Mara the ring as she apologies, does anyone thing she just wanted the ring and made herself nuts for no apparent reason. And why didn't Mara first call her doctor when she started bleeding, and seek help instead of calling Shane?
If the smoking and drinking coffee weren't enough factors for this.
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Jun 20, 2008 13:33:59 GMT -5
IMO she called Shane first because she's a needy whiny bitch and wanted him to be sympathetic towards her and make him feel guilty for picking the team over her at that time.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 20, 2008 13:42:34 GMT -5
As I watch S3 more I am beginning to dislike Mara more and more. She really needs to a social life more than be whiny and needy towards Shane.
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Jun 24, 2008 16:25:25 GMT -5
^ You haven't seen the worst of her yet. I was glad that in later seasons, she didn't have such a visible part.
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Post by longislanditalian2 on Jun 24, 2008 17:38:13 GMT -5
Even her mother is dumb : apple doesn't fall far from the tree so to speak. One question why is Mara still smoking while she is pregnant, talk about stupidity.
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Post by Bottleneck on Jul 14, 2008 23:54:58 GMT -5
wow acc, i can imagine the time and effort you had to go through to write those three, wonderfully elaborate posts. i salute to you, sir. thank you so much.
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