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Post by ktjzm on Jan 13, 2007 8:30:53 GMT -5
I would believe Ronny knew but not vic when you see vic almost touch lem and dutch tell him "Vic no you can't" he looks at dutch with such a disbelief look and then when you see them walk away vic is visably shook but ronny and shane have a look of no feeling at all just like it was another day on the shield.
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Post by striketeamwashere on Jan 13, 2007 15:16:07 GMT -5
Ronnie.
If either one of the other two knew it would be Ronnie.
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Post by I Adore Ronnie on Jan 13, 2007 17:08:28 GMT -5
No way! I plead for Ronnie's innocence! Now we desperately need one relatively good, non cop-killer on the team! As for Vic, he would have tried a thousand different ways to convince Lem to go to Mexico before he would have murdered him.
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Feb 11, 2007 15:49:04 GMT -5
^ I don't think Vic would have murdered Lem. He'd probably gotten one of his gang buddies to stage a drive by and make it look like Lem was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I don't think Vic had it in him. With Terry, it was easy. Terry turned to IAD under David's pressure and went south on the team. Lem never did.
Did the writers imply that Vic knew at the end of S5A that Vic knew Lem would never turn? I know he kept telling Shane and Ronnie to relax that Lem would never give them up, but did Vic actually realize that Lem didn't give them up?
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Post by electroshockblues on Feb 12, 2007 4:30:14 GMT -5
The whole point of Shane killing Lem is that Shane "learned" from Vic when Vic killed Terry. Since Ronnie wasn't in on the Terry killing and doesn't know about it to this day, having Ronnie in on Lem's death doesn't make sense from a dramatic standpoint.
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Post by ISaidWhoaDangIt on Feb 12, 2007 22:52:14 GMT -5
I don't think Shawn will go there with Ronnie being involved in Lem's death. In the end, I bet that someone offers him immunity if he'll testify against Vic. His loyalties have always been with the Strike Team, so it'll be interesting to see if he actually turns or if he keeps his mouth shut.
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Post by ShootFirst on Feb 13, 2007 18:51:19 GMT -5
The whole point of Shane killing Lem is that Shane "learned" from Vic when Vic killed Terry. Since Ronnie wasn't in on the Terry killing and doesn't know about it to this day, having Ronnie in on Lem's death doesn't make sense from a dramatic standpoint. Bingo. No way did Vic know. I believe he will come to realize just what you said, that Shane "learned" his ways. 99.7% sure Ronnie didn't know about it but crazier things have happened with this show before.
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Post by danimal12483 on Mar 24, 2007 0:41:54 GMT -5
i figured id start a thread on what we all think. did vic know shane killed lem, or not? personally, i dont think he did because i dont think vic could ever do that to lem. i could see him doin it to terry because he was new and he was a rat but not lem. vic was the ONLY one who didn't think lem was a rat and the only one who REALLY trusted that lem wasn't gonna rat. "lem trusts us, and i still trust lem" vic mackey s5
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Post by Blanket Party on Apr 4, 2007 1:11:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't rule out Ronnie knowing, but it feels like something that we as the audience should know, if that's the case. If we know that Shane did it coming out of the gate, we should also know that Ronnie knows, otherwise the eventual reveal will feel hollow. "Ha ha, Vic, I knew all along!" I don't see it working.
As for Shane's motivations, I think everyone is right. Think about Shane's words in that very episode - when they discover that Lem may have ratted on them, Shane says that they'll find them and "take his temperature." That's exactly what he was doing in that final scene. He was trying to convince him to take the deal they'd set up for him. He didn't, so Shane switched to his contingency plan - take out Lem to seal off the investigation.
I think the fact that he has the grenade on him is the most telling piece of evidence of all. He wouldn't just have it in his car laying around. It's evidence, and that truck is not a police vehicle or an evidence locker. Shane thought it through, all right. I'll convince him that we've got him covered, and it'll all be okay.
But what if I can't?
The way Shane did it was too calculated. Using a grenade automatically pins it on Guardo and takes any possible heat off of the Strike Team.
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Post by jray on Apr 12, 2007 11:04:02 GMT -5
Well, to rap this topic up...
We officially know that neither Vic or Ronnie knew about Lem's murder.
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Post by anothershieldfan on Apr 14, 2007 15:09:52 GMT -5
Put it this way; when Vic and Shane were talking about taking his temperature what do you think Vic would have done or wanted done if his temperature wasn't right? That's something to think about. Would he have wanted to convince him? What if he couldn't convince him? What do you think Vic would have done had he felt Lem's temperature wasn't right?
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Post by danimal12483 on Apr 23, 2007 14:23:48 GMT -5
vic had no clue!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Post by anothershieldfan on Apr 26, 2007 17:41:30 GMT -5
You're still dodging the question; what do you think Vic would have done if he *thought* Lem took a deal? They were going to feel him out, something would of happened. Vic may have qualmed Lem's fears or whatever but something would of.
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Post by Kern Little on Jun 7, 2007 13:59:01 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Vic didnt know. His reaction when Shane told him was that of heartbreak. I seriously doubt Ronnie knew either. Strike Team is like family so I dont think Ronnie would go along with that without letting Vic know.
Ronnie is mega loyal.
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Post by sa1tine on Jul 18, 2007 0:31:04 GMT -5
yeah i honestly think vic wouldn't authorize shane to take lem out.
shanes a totally hot headed country bumpkin.
i haven't seen the episode but watched the clip on youtube. i wept. shane = die
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Post by misstriketeam on Mar 9, 2008 20:30:14 GMT -5
i dont think vic knew that shane killed lem because in the episode where vic confronts shane its so amazingly strong and emotion filled. you can just see all the hurt in vics face.. soooooo sad.
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Post by Kungfu on Mar 14, 2008 17:51:54 GMT -5
Vic didnot knew !, the last scene when Vic said who ever did this is dead was awesome also when he attacked Kav was very real, Shane I do think he had it in minds all along he did got the granate some time before and had all the time to dispose of them
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