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Post by twistedjustice on Mar 13, 2006 20:41:26 GMT -5
i brought up two points a while ago that no one really responded to, and i wanted to see what people had to say about it
1. i didnt like the fact that shawn ryan said he didnt want things to end well for mackey
2. i didnt like how shawn ryan said he wanted people to think forest whitaker was the hero this season.
i think thats bullshit, but i want to know what everyone else thinks about it
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 13, 2006 21:41:16 GMT -5
i brought up two points a while ago that no one really responded to, and i wanted to see what people had to say about it 1. i didnt like the fact that shawn ryan said he didnt want things to end well for mackey 2. i didnt like how shawn ryan said he wanted people to think forest whitaker was the hero this season. i think thats bullshit, but i want to know what everyone else thinks about it I think it's Shawn Ryan's show to do with what he wants. However he decides to bring this to an end is going to be fine with me.
Vic riding off into the sunset and getting away with all he's done would not mesh with anything I've seen so far on this show; it would make no sense. The Shield will NOT have a happy ending.
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Post by dtpollitt on Mar 13, 2006 22:55:08 GMT -5
i brought up two points a while ago that no one really responded to, and i wanted to see what people had to say about it 1. i didnt like the fact that shawn ryan said he didnt want things to end well for mackey 2. i didnt like how shawn ryan said he wanted people to think forest whitaker was the hero this season. i think thats bullshit, but i want to know what everyone else thinks about it I think if Mackey goes down dying/fighting it is by far the best way for The Shield to end. It's a brutal, gory, and hardened show; there is no way Vic is coming out of this unscrapped. I would be much more angered if he DID come out perfect.
I don't think we can judge Kavanaugh being a hero until we see the last two more episodes, next season, or how this storyline plays out.
--Dan
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Post by lynch345 on Mar 13, 2006 23:56:07 GMT -5
I think lots of people were predisposed to hating Kavanaugh. I mean the one thing he's done so far that's inexcusable was his deal with Antwon. But lots of people hated him with a passion before he ever did that, and never understood that. Up until the point where he made the deal, he was simply a man passionate about his job willing to do whatever it takes. Yet many hated him just for going after Mackey.
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Post by ricktheprick on Mar 14, 2006 13:06:48 GMT -5
How could things end good for Vic? The only good ending would be him getting to keep his job and operate dirty with the strike team, and if that happened everyone would be bitching about the show ending too soon and not being able to see what happens next.
Vic probably will go down fighting, but in the process he'll try to put right in some things that he had done wrong and end up dying a hero or some shit like that.
And for the record Kavanaugh is the shit, he really helped the shield become an on the edge of your seat show again.
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Post by Inside Man on Mar 14, 2006 13:23:32 GMT -5
The Shield started ugly, it's gotta end ugly. That's just my opinion.
I experienced The Shield for the first time on the Season 1 DVDs. I was able to watch all the removed scenes and Shawn Ryan's commentary explaining why they didn't make the cut. I was very very impressed at Ryan's feel for pacing and the dynamics of telling a complete yet lean story. I get that feeling every time I watch the deleted scenes from any of the 4 seasons. The man has earned the right to tell the story any way he wishes, and no matter how it ends, it's gonna feel right.
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Post by mwk ~aka~ Witchykitty on Mar 14, 2006 13:25:04 GMT -5
I think lots of people were predisposed to hating Kavanaugh. I mean the one thing he's done so far that's inexcusable was his deal with Antwon. But lots of people hated him with a passion before he ever did that, and never understood that. Up until the point where he made the deal, he was simply a man passionate about his job willing to do whatever it takes. Yet many hated him just for going after Mackey. Don't forget pretending to be a parent with an autistic kid. That was kinda slimy.
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Post by badcop187 on Mar 14, 2006 18:19:11 GMT -5
First of all Kav will not be the hero, he never will be. Second, Vic may not come out unscathed, BUT he will come out. He will probably lose his family, the strike team, but he will make it out! Has anyone heard if Kav is signed for the back 10? ?? He may not even make it out of the first 11. Seeing as they are still writing the back 10, We will not know if this is the last season or not. We must have to wait to see how the unit does, if it fails My guess is Ryan will keep the shield going.
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Post by qb on Mar 14, 2006 21:20:35 GMT -5
First of all Kav will not be the hero, he never will be. Second, Vic may not come out unscathed, BUT he will come out. He will probably lose his family, the strike team, but he will make it out! Has anyone heard if Kav is signed for the back 10? ?? He may not even make it out of the first 11. Seeing as they are still writing the back 10, We will not know if this is the last season or not. We must have to wait to see how the unit does, if it fails My guess is Ryan will keep the shield going. I read an article somewhere that said he was signed on for at least two eps in the back ten. Wonder what that means??
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Post by -|E|- on Mar 14, 2006 21:25:34 GMT -5
Uh-oh.... is that a spoiler I see? And this coming from the Queen of "spoil me and you die?" LOL!! Just jerkin yer chain, doll....
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Post by bullethead on Mar 14, 2006 23:29:31 GMT -5
I agree the series will not have a happy ending. It's not that kind of show. Let's not forget that, despite how we all think Vic is the man, he is a murderer. Plain and simple. I'm sure the whole series will end with a huge, tragic issue for Vic. I could very easily see him getting killed by another cop. As a way for Shawn Ryan to show poetic justice.
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Post by roman on Mar 15, 2006 3:19:58 GMT -5
I, personally, think Vic should die for everything he has covered up, backslid on and done to so many people. I would agree with you wholeheartedly if Vic had not killed Terry, but Lem is on the run right now because of one bullet five years ago. He was truly going to take one for the team so his buddies could live the dream, and now he's headed to Mexico, and the ST have one pissed-off IA cop on their asses, not to mention a drug lord/gang leader who wants all four of these guys dead.
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Post by personacom on Mar 15, 2006 10:43:54 GMT -5
I don't see how Kavanaugh will be viewed as a hero this season for a couple of reasons:
1. We have spent 5 years learning that Vic is a three-dimensional guy...he hurts, he is loyal, etc. We now like the guy and like him despite his flaws...so Kavanaugh's actions can't be seen as heroic, in my mind.
2. Kav eventually crossed the ethical line while at the same time alienating everyone at the barn...and he is a wee bit loopy! :-)
However.... I do agree that things will have to end badly with Vic. In the real world, you pay for your "sins" one way or the other. I am not saying it will end with Vic in jail, but it will end badly...that is realistic and a good idea, me thinks.
PC
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Post by lemilicious on Mar 15, 2006 18:56:59 GMT -5
I can't stand Kav! Shawn Ryan must have got it all wrong then if that was his intent to make him the hero. Everyone I know couldn't wait to see Mackey kick him in the balls (aka, sleep with his ex)
I would love to see the strike team ride off in the sunset and prevail above all! But what I can't wait to see and hopefully will see is Ronnie come out of his shell and maybe take over the strike team is Vic decides to take the fall for the team. As far as I can see, he has been a silent force in the strike team and seems to be the "brains" a lot of times of the operation.
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Post by icy on Mar 15, 2006 19:10:15 GMT -5
1. It is like a horse race...Kav may look like he is getting ahead a bit, but that is just to keep you on edge until next year. Also black viewers are being pulled into the mix.
2. Vic is being brought full circle. What comes around, goes around. There is going to be a consequence to his crime. It is going to catch up with him, eventually. I think we are seeing the results of it now and this is why this last season is called "The Beginning Of The End". Because there has to be an end to all of the madness that was created from overstepping boundaries in the first place. You cannot expect to go on that way forever. It eventually catches up with you.
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Post by bullethead on Mar 17, 2006 21:26:17 GMT -5
Well, the reason Lem is going to be on the run is because of Antwon Mitchell. He took the drugs for leverage to find the girls body that AM put bullets in from Shane and his partners guns.
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Post by Cletus Van Damme on Mar 19, 2006 13:51:35 GMT -5
i brought up two points a while ago that no one really responded to, and i wanted to see what people had to say about it 1. i didnt like the fact that shawn ryan said he didnt want things to end well for mackey 2. i didnt like how shawn ryan said he wanted people to think forest whitaker was the hero this season. i think thats bullshit, but i want to know what everyone else thinks about it I was also pretty annoyed at those comments, but they were made at start of the season. I think that Shawn Ryan has realized and come to terms with the fact that WE LOVE VIC!!!! WE WANT VIC TO GET AWAY WITH EVERYTHING!!!! COS WE'RE VIC ENABLERS!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by bachatan on Oct 4, 2008 19:59:03 GMT -5
ive always had the same feeling, that there definitely wont be a happy ending,
and if Vic were to get away with anything, the writers will shock us in makin that happen,
this show though is written in top form, so many lines relate to previous events or to future events,
"you dont get to do what you did for free" the lines make so many characters look like hypocrites, but it seems like sometimes they dont realize it
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