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Post by ricktheprick on Jan 11, 2006 13:07:30 GMT -5
Man, Forest is like 5 times the actor that Glen Close was. I just couldn't stand watching Close and her shit eating grin last season, what a waste that was. Forest on the other hand just bleeds with talent. It's gonna be fun to watch him perform this season. Any thoughts, and don't give me this "it's only been one episode" shit either. Close sucked from day one!
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Post by TeKnOw on Jan 11, 2006 13:16:56 GMT -5
It's wonderful that you are ecstatic about this year's frame hogger ;D
I would disagree with you at the moment and likely later... but we haven't seen much of this season or 1/2 of a season depending on how you view the rationing of episodes.
Personally I'd rather we get another no name, up comer, or adrift actor than someone I've attached an idea/feeling about already. Using a house hold name works well in movies but I'm quite ambivalent about seeing in in a TV series, albeit a great one.
* you mights spell check your Sig
**edit: and this is only one episode even if you don't care to hear it... from what I've seen I'm certainly not sold
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Post by jwc53531 on Jan 11, 2006 17:00:37 GMT -5
I agree, Tek
one, it's way too early to begin making sweeping statements and, two, Close is way more than a match for FW in the acting department - her S4 role, in its entirety, was excellent - and while I'm just okay with S4 as a whole, after watching the DVDs again, I think she was the best thing happening in that little 13 episode detour - now I might argue FW is better than Anthony Anderson perhaps but unless FW gets unshackeled from that shuck-and-jive approach he's got going now I'm gonna be really disappointed in that character - this role reminds a little of middle-of-the-road FW in Body Snatchers and not the greatness that was Ghost Dog - I'll give the character a few more eps but I'm like you, Tek, it might have been better to bring in some TV actor instead of an established film actor - the mediums are two entirely different things - to be honest, I thought the best FW scene was the one with Benito - the later ones with Corrine and Lem were pretty unexceptional
but it's early so let's see what happens
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Post by Inside Man on Jan 11, 2006 18:58:09 GMT -5
I agree, Tek one, it's way too early to begin making sweeping statements and, two, Close is way more than a match for FW in the acting department - her S4 role, in its entirety, was excellent - and while I'm just okay with S4 as a whole, after watching the DVDs again, I think she was the best thing happening in that little 13 episode detour... but it's early so let's see what happens I agree, Tek & jwc. It's too early for comparisons. I was completely undecided on Close after the S4 premiere. It wasn't until episode 2, 3, or 4 that she really hit her stride. After listening to the first four S4 commentaries, the cast & crew agree en masse that she eased into the role just as Monica herself grew into the Captain of the Barn. By the time everything played out, I thought she was simply brilliant.
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Post by badkittykitty on Jan 12, 2006 2:44:59 GMT -5
When I heard Glenn Close was joining the cast for season 4 I was excited, she's a great actress. She delivered and I miss her character. I for one, loved Forrest Whittaker in only one episode, he comes off as a little bit crazy and that I like ;D Can't wait to see him really show what he's made of.
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Post by ricktheprick on Jan 12, 2006 13:08:20 GMT -5
Forest Whitaker brings one thing to the table that Close couldn't, and that's confidence. Close never had it as an actress in The Shield and frankly it showed. She just never got into a comfort zone that all the other actors are in and she was the odd man out. S4 was just OK, and that's really sucks. Close may not be the entire reason for that, but she contributed to it. S5 has potential, I know just one episode has aired but between that and the commercials it just has the excitement factor that S4 didn't have. As for Forest and the confidence in his acting ability, he already looks like he has been a character in the world of the shield for years, he has weird quirks and probably a fucked up past that will play out great!
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Post by billyt on Jan 12, 2006 16:31:37 GMT -5
When I found out Glenn Close was going to be in season 4 I didnt like it but her character was intresting, I liked it a lot but Forest Whitaker does have something more which suits the shield than Close.
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Post by zakkwylde on Jan 12, 2006 20:23:16 GMT -5
I'm not going to add to the debate, but to compare them both after one episode is a bit premature.
But I will say that I have a huge dislike for the Whitaker character right off the bat, don't get the wrong impression from that statement, it is a credit to Mr. Whitaker's performance. He just seems like he is very obsessed with his quest to take down Vic and the Strike team...and that he will go to any lengths to make sure it happens.
Instant Heat with me!
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Post by amishmobster on Jan 13, 2006 20:22:29 GMT -5
i think whitaker rules while close drools!!!!
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Post by jimmycracker on Jan 13, 2006 23:27:04 GMT -5
I hated Glenn Close mostly because she lacked character flaws. That's a first for TS. Claudette is too self-righteous, Vic is overly-aggressive and controlling, Shane is too stupid, Lem has a battle with his conscience, Danny is naive and sort of lost, Julien is obvious, etc etc. Rawlings was confident, got things done, always felt in control, never acted totally irrational. The last episode where she pleaded with the chief to get her job back—that was sort of a flaw, but it occured way too late in the series. She prolly has some other flaws too, but they're not clear enough to fit with The Shield.
I might consider lying a flaw with Kavanaugh, cause he's done that a lot. In any case, right now I like him. He seems more dynamic than Rawlings.
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Post by Inside Man on Jan 14, 2006 1:45:52 GMT -5
jimmy, you didn't see her soft spot for kids and the Child Services/Foster Care System as a flaw? It first came to light in the 'Hurt' episode about halfway through the season. Ultimately, that chink in her armor was what brought about her final downfall.
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Post by jimmycracker on Jan 14, 2006 2:35:35 GMT -5
Well yeah, like I said she prolly' has a few flaws I didn't notice. In that case I found the whole foster care plot pretty dull. Partly my fault cause my attention span sucks, but if it was a flaw it didn't seem too important.
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Post by ricktheprick on Jan 14, 2006 12:12:39 GMT -5
i think whitaker rules while close drools!!!! Now somebody finally has the right idea here! I'm gonna go out on a limb here and also predict that Forest will win an Emmy for his guest performance as Kavanaugh. Hey, just remember were you heard it first!!
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Post by Blanket Party on Jan 14, 2006 14:07:17 GMT -5
jimmy, you didn't see her soft spot for kids and the Child Services/Foster Care System as a flaw? It first came to light in the 'Hurt' episode about halfway through the season. Ultimately, that chink in her armor was what brought about her final downfall. To be fair, it was her undermining Antwon's leverage with the DEA that really sealed her fate. I would definitely say her unrelenting soft spot for kids/detest of the way the Child Services Department was run, but I think her obsession with nailing Antwon Mitchell was what really brought her down.
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Post by sphinx on Jan 16, 2006 21:17:29 GMT -5
I hated Glenn Close mostly because she lacked character flaws. That's a first for TS. Claudette is too self-righteous, Vic is overly-aggressive and controlling, Shane is too stupid, Lem has a battle with his conscience, Danny is naive and sort of lost, Julien is obvious, etc etc. Rawlings was confident, got things done, always felt in control, never acted totally irrational. The last episode where she pleaded with the chief to get her job back—that was sort of a flaw, but it occured way too late in the series. She prolly has some other flaws too, but they're not clear enough to fit with The Shield. Her biggest flaw seemed clear as day to me - she was a naive idealist with her head in the clouds, and suffered from a blinding hubris that ultimately became her downfall. The way she said "I just got Benilla, snagged Antwon - I think I just bought myself a little cover" as she rode off to the foster home seizure showed how pathetically clueless she really was about the implications of undercutting a federal case. At least that's the way I saw it. Anyway, I can't begin to understand all the hating on Close; it seems like nothing more than the common mistake of not separating actors from characters. It was the writers who chose to construct Monica Rawlings the way they did, and Close just did what she could to bring her to life. I can't picture any other actress reading an identical script and making her very different. IMO if you didn't like the captain in Season 4, your beef is with only with the character and thus the writers, not whoever happened to get casted to play her. On the same token, I don't think Whittaker deserves a whole lot more credit for doing a good job when he happened to get a character that's far more interesting and eccentric.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 17, 2006 19:01:05 GMT -5
Her biggest flaw seemed clear as day to me - she was a naive idealist with her head in the clouds, and suffered from a blinding hubris that ultimately became her downfall. The way she said "I just got Benilla, snagged Antwon - I think I just bought myself a little cover" as she rode off to the foster home seizure showed how pathetically clueless she really was about the implications of undercutting a federal case. At least that's the way I saw it. I feel that Monica believed the brass would have her back for bringing Antwon to justice for Carl and Scooby when she undercut the feds. Instead, they sold her out. I thought Glenn Close was awsome. The one thing I wish we were were clued in on is when Antwon said that her old partner planted drugs on him to put him away and he felt she knew about it. There's a part of me that thinks that there may be some truth to it, but it was never explored further....
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Post by dice on Jan 24, 2006 7:42:16 GMT -5
I definately agree that there was a lot more to explore w/ Glen Close's past. She was a patrolman at the Farm! And the new guy that they've got as Captain is total crap! Close was good, there's no reason that we can't have her AND Whittaker, at the same time. Thats just me though...
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Post by Trayce13 on Jan 24, 2006 9:17:43 GMT -5
I really liked Glen Close...She brought sarcasm and a kick in the ass......
Forest though...........not so sure yet. I will have to see a few more episodes to make up my mind. So far I am not inpressed with his acting. just my opinion though.
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Post by jray on Jan 29, 2006 21:42:53 GMT -5
Ultimately, the difference is this:
Glen Close is a "leading lady" type... Forrest Whitaker is a "character actor" type...
Close has the ability to take full command of a plot-line. Forrest isn't by any means a "leading man" type, and a lot of that comes down to looks/size. I'm not trying to downplay the skills of Forrest, because having been an actor (don't worry...I'm not famous...yet) it takes much more imagination and often times more ability.
I think he's a great addition to the cast, but was sad to see Close go. As great as it is to essentially have a pregnant Danny running the Barn for a complete nit-wit, I'd rather have seen Close stay around and play a part in Cavanaugh's attempt to bring down Vic.
J-Ray
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Post by badkittykitty on Jan 31, 2006 2:29:12 GMT -5
Not a leading man?? Obviously you've never seen Bird.
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